Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1356; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u3UGcVcP008636 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:38:31 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1awXpF-0005Z7-KQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 17:33:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1awXpF-0005Yy-3g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 17:33:01 +0100 Received: from parrot.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1awXpD-0002m9-GD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 17:32:59 +0100 Received: from pn.abelian.org (i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.83]) by parrot.netcom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C027A3273E4 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 17:31:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359DE400048 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:32:57 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <57237FB9.2060507@posteo.de> <8D3705FBF0E442D-628-9A0506@webmail-vm001.sysops.aol.com> <5723C259.3090800@abelian.org> <5723C76E.70002@posteo.de> <5724968F.1030904@abelian.org> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <5724DE39.4090806@abelian.org> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:32:57 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Scan-Signature: fc152e7304849b9a177649b85aea9f41 Subject: Re: AW: VLF: EbNaut transmission on 8270.1 Hz again and again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7950 Markus wrote: > you could create a stronger carrier component by slightly > unbalancing the PSK phases. For example, switching from -80 to > +80 degrees would create a sin(10°)=-15.3 dB in-phase carrier, > while weakening the modulated quadrature component by only > cos(10°)=-0.133 dB. Well worth a try and can be easily tested in simulation. The phase search costs some coding gain because of the increased opportunity for a false decode to overcome the real decode. The squared signal provides a starting point for the phase search, averaged over the whole message. With the right amount of vestigial carrier it might be beneficial to measure the carrier phase in four pieces instead of one, to independently set each quarter of the phase search. If that reduced the number of phase trials there might even be an overall slight gain. And the signal would be detectable. Raises some possibilities. From an earlier post > flatten out the noise level before decoding (i.e. reduce the gain > during high noise background) ... evaluate out-of-band energy. I've tried normalising the symbol amplitudes before the decoder and that always reduces performance. But what you're suggesting here is a bit different - to look at the out-of- band noise and apply an AGC. I wonder if that would help the mode when the band noise changes through the message duration? It would be easy to test using some stock recordings from DF6NM, DK7FC, W4DEX, and others. Well, you've given me some work to do here Markus, and I've been busy trialing different phase search patterns, eg 45 instead of 30, to see if there's a net coding gain to be found. -- Paul Nicholson --