Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 104; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u3RHLBVl030741 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:21:11 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1avT3w-0001Yr-Ft for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:15:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1avT3w-0001Yi-4y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:15:44 +0100 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([2001:748:100:40::2:4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1avT3t-0003Se-9f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:15:43 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.140] (helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.85 #1) id 1avT3s-0007EV-6r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:15:40 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:50773 helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (Exim 4.85 #1) id 1avT3s-0002Tn-28 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:15:40 +0200 Received: from mx5.freenet.de ([195.4.92.15]:33535) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (Exim 4.85 #1) id 1avT0J-00065A-2u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:11:59 +0200 Received: from x4d08324f.dyn.telefonica.de ([77.8.50.79]:56883 helo=[192.168.178.20]) by mx5.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (port 587) (Exim 4.85 #1) id 1avT0I-0001Lf-NX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:11:58 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <571CF2AD.9030207@posteo.de> <571D2966.5080104@posteo.de> <571D3034.8020204@mbsks.franken.de> <571D31EE.9030106@posteo.de> <571DD4DE.3080703@abelian.org> <571E54B9.9010208@posteo.de> <571E5C16.2090102@mbsks.franken.de> <571E5F26.1080605@mbsks.franken.de> <571E92A0.3000608@posteo.de> <571E98A7.5070503@posteo.de> <571F87A2.7000700@abelian.org> <571FC3E8.1000706@posteo.de> <5720D81D.6020609@abelian.org> <5720E958.2010104@posteo.de> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Wolfgang_B=c3=bcscher?= Message-ID: <5720F2DB.3030704@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:11:55 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5720E958.2010104@posteo.de> X-Originated-At: 77.8.50.79!56883 X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Subject: Re: VLF: A single turn RX loop for VLF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7874 Hello all, I can confirm such a single-turn loop with a big ferrite transformer works well - even with a very simple amplifier. Construction details and a few spectrograms at : http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/vlf_rdf/vlf_single_turn_loop.htm (this 'ferrite cylinder' can frequently be seen at hamfests, but none of the dealers could tell who actually made them, and what their original purpose was..) Cheers, Wolf . Am 27.04.2016 um 18:31 schrieb DK7FC: > Hi VLF, > > Today i've installed a second loop into the tree. It is a simple > copper tube having 10 mm diameter and about 4m length. > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/VLF/20160427_084708.jpg > The loop is not resonated. The ends are just hold together with a screw. > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/VLF/20160427_092012.jpg > It is a very stable / robust construction which needs no further > elements to hold it into the tree. > The screw is protected against rain with some bonding tape. Before the > mounting, a ferrite transformer with Al ~ 6000 nH was put on the tube. > First i tried 20 secondary turns. > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/VLF/20160427_092420.jpg > Later i choose 40 turns and finally 80 turns. > The results between the N-S loop and the E-W loop are still visible at > http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html > DHO38 is much weaker, the Alphas are much stronger, HWU is stronger. > > All in all it appears that this loop performs better then my 80 turn > hula hup circle loop (0.8m diameter). And by using the transformer it > can be adapted optimally to the preamp input impedance. It even works > down to 100 Hz, with limited performance of course. > > I'm now looking forward to receive something from the East or West. Is > there someone out there ready to radiate a signal? > Also, a VLF RDF grabber would be fine, maybe even by using idenetical > antennas (to be built). > > 73, Stefan > > PS: > BEWARE: This is not new! Someone has done it before, maybe even in the > 1920s. VLF receptions on the Dreamers Band were done with such a loop > for example by F5WK > (http://f5wk.blogspot.de/2010/09/antenne-loop-vlf.html). >