Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1181; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, NO_REAL_NAME,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u3KJ5X6X009784 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 21:05:33 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1asxL1-0008Ix-Kn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 19:58:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1asxL1-0008Io-BJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 19:58:59 +0100 Received: from resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:42]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1asxKz-00010d-I6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 19:58:58 +0100 Received: from resomta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.101]) by comcast with SMTP id sxKCaQSmJpUrhsxKxa47b2; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 18:58:55 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=comcast.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1461178735; bh=lC6FmUmRTNx9tj9/IhiISLzURvSE7xpomoGJ96xTjWY=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=vZkOG47iiUYFate25Z3wTFRABRNh+zhF8Xez9K6Kx3WjIIR760HgVcO5BU0WF9EYG NrKcgUcJCRw28sP93Vl4UbnpQIYnWCMIM66drukXZUDrT4rR6+bZQFIvfMPk4Q7h82 FRvNqiEbZQ81de7MNGAUl7WLiyee3Ulgr1lGR/KIo8v1oelkSO5r/rGwEKkejuZl/O isHI7fGOBiESxNMyno5QDkRbMFJwL/2HeM+CFlPsgqjo2QNn/RPf1b18jrOh0a/heH BA4/Gdy2fFzqU3+JB/0GBz3jQCJ0XdLWLCP3VpEzj4O058Zsgb6nwJseEhW8fJ5gXt 37EHMeG93jR6Q== Received: from Owner ([IPv6:2601:141:0:bec5:edfd:b3ef:5c54:7991]) by resomta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id kiyu1s00i17PCuv01iyuP6; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 18:58:55 +0000 From: To: References: <04cf01d19a81$4f3950b0$edabf210$@comcast.net> <8D368F2C6FE3E50-1210-CC6C@webmail-vm149.sysops.aol.com> <5717BE34.4040008@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <5717BE34.4040008@abelian.org> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 14:58:36 -0400 Message-ID: <009401d19b36$aa2696d0$fe73c470$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGBxF7IpIT4SPJ1eB0r63tk4IilAAJ2I8v7AZMpnYOgEpoOsA== Content-Language: en-us X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Subject: RE: LF: RE: 8270.0025 Tuesday Apr 19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id u3KJ5X6X009784 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7797 Paul, Thanks for the excellent and definitive insights. I will enjoy running the trials that you suggested (30-minute Speclab trial running now with 3kHz bandpass, hum filter, blanker, and test signal). 73, Jim AA5BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Paul Nicholson Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 1:37 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: 8270.0025 Tuesday Apr 19 I should mention that for sferic blanking to be this effective it is essential to band limit the VLF before the blanker. A broadly optimum bandwidth is 3kHz centered on the signal frequency. Too wide and too much noise is modulated into the signal band by the chopping action of the blanker. Too narrow and sferics are stretched which gives too much blanking. It is also important to make sure that the 3kHz band passed into the blanker doesn't contain any significant constant signals such as mains harmonics. Weak ones are OK so long as they don't show above the 3kHz wide noise. Therefore you may have to precede the blanker with an automatic hum notch filter. Getting the sferic removal working right is crucial to detecting weak signals at VLF. I'm sure that many reception attempts fail because the blanking is nowhere near optimal. It might be very well worth doing some trials using a weak near field source with amplitude set so that it is only just visible without blanking. Record about 30 minutes of raw VLF with the test signal buried in there, then use the recording as input for trials of various settings with a bandwidth of 1/(30 mins). In vlfrx-tools a typical detection pipeline is vtread -T2016-04-19_13:15,+2h /raw | # Select the signal (3 chans) vtmix -c 0.927,-0.375,0.5/-135 | # Antenna mix and phasing vtfilter -h bp,f=8270,w=3000 | # 3kHz filter vtblank -a1.2 -d0 -t1 | # Sferic blanking vtnspec -f 8270.0025 -r 138.88e-6 -w0.05 > df6nm.160419a.dat The blanker options are: -a 1.2 Auto threshold, 1.2 times the moving mean level -d 0 No dwell time -t 1 One second time constant for the moving mean -- Paul Nicholson --