Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1102; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_40_50,HTML_BACKHAIR_8,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u280Ijsj029706 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 01:18:45 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ad5Ig-0008TX-UB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 00:14:58 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ad5Ig-0008TO-6V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 00:14:58 +0000 Received: from mail-vk0-x231.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c05::231]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ad5Ic-0002oE-Ib for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 00:14:57 +0000 Received: by mail-vk0-x231.google.com with SMTP id k1so120423543vkb.0 for ; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:14:54 -0800 (PST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=5if1xIaKO+qdCviBXbZQvZ6hiM//9hC265CU+K+UYBM=; b=rv3TZbfNp5QL64xo03xd9Rkh+SeNedTVEHkaANfA8KYTG7NZpYsASeQaVuwMssbYtn u34zifrydCIHkWlItDJFX9hcDxkRKeoWZ1peh4IPRWyS3HkQXGRQuVlQYkYBoZHL/hIh 2iRwgSi4lxNdylUFhHtp7vm4QJ/jLRXNSNoRgFVS90ueubwOnMxbSljOcXJiFcjPf2fy 9RvBud7KQ783FmF3PjScjDS7sKOqc3psWAGX/yxLv0F3Y2Lr4KxWcOeji1ADeMfC2Afl 6JogA53jSYd9hdZ8vqv97wB55HbeudpEHPN6/+X2nuBJcsxw85O0ilyWlXA3jixmxvx9 sA0w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=5if1xIaKO+qdCviBXbZQvZ6hiM//9hC265CU+K+UYBM=; b=RNLXLe9XM1uHN7k0eVEzzc/gz7woT//Xg+H6B04BVwytXaZWDTTn7mYyRDdNRtRIVZ udpEFjfkj3HIwve0PjUx42O7Fprd8rt7Mt4EPK5RBO44DF7Y+yFX+qpZ2firYAQ0wAXa Rerlpct78SBiZloPXfz3tAYCnrCjy6C5tnfzoHwFnJBwGod3NlK9GnanHObU6If6n5AK yQvj0+hBnEW/PaiPu5jEAss5poKGs3saojJM5h9vlrEg3VUdI6lhy4S5x3AGvn3bkB2D 5ige4nKQT0pDKNTANg8CypsmtdJEEe3VjWUHwVWVw5M3/bE/AAtKGH3bJCwUyQ+/78Rw jyUA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJMXIVsgTOXZzCeeDVz+rMfYwZOzu8RKTd2tj3na83rguWr0UyUE1X3XDa6VNLlnSTHkfwuebSoTVI4zw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.150.76 with SMTP id y73mr23869080vkd.84.1457396092696; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:14:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.12.135 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 16:14:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8D3450D43313D4D-1358-E77F@webmail-vd003.sysops.aol.com> <56DC29C8.3010604@posteo.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444DD4BF@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be> <56DD2595.5040506@no3m.net> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444DD7D8@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be> <56DD5A82.70203@posteo.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444DD9C8@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be> <9143839F868545288751B296FF682379@gnat> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444DDAB0@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444DDAC4@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 18:14:52 -0600 Message-ID: From: John Langridge To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: c2475d419cec526a0a1d8689f82d5b7d Subject: Re: LF: strange MF TA propagation last night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1142644666ff20052d7e78d9 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7254 --001a1142644666ff20052d7e78d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I gather and publish the WSPR data on that path and all other relevant paths each and every day on my website. Its there to be reviewed. The only complication with the VK/JA reports is that the International dateline and the time that I gather the data sometimes result in a day's data being reported during the following session. I do my best not to miss the reports, regardless of who or how many stations are providing them. 73, John On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Alan Melia wrote: > Hi John if there is that much data on the path it would be worth gathering > together and looking at. Individual spots are not too interesting, > multiple spots from one station are more interesting but multiple > overlapping spots from several stations could start to be useful, and worth > the effort looking to see if there is any new information in there. > > Alan > G3NYK > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* John Langridge > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Monday, March 07, 2016 10:07 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: strange MF TA propagation last night > > I should point out that the VK3ELV --> JA event happens just about every > night that Phil is QRV. Its been a season long event, not constrained by > this geomagnetic event. What was abnormal from last week was that ELV, > like WE2XPQ, experienced a session where 5-7 JA stations were supplying > reports. That was abnormal, but 3-5 days before this geomagnetic event. > > 73! > > John KB5NJD / WG2XIQ.. > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Rik Strobbe > wrote: > >> The fun might still be going on tonight, have a look at this impressive >> VK-JA series: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * 2016-03-07 19:12 VK3ELV 0.475785 -28 1 QF33bq 5 JH3XCU >> PM95sm 8016 354 2016-03-07 19:06 VK3ELV 0.475786 -22 0 >> QF33bq 5 JH3XCU PM95sm 8016 354 2016-03-07 19:02 VK3ELV >> 0.475774 -24 0 QF33bq 5 JH3XCU PM95sm 8016 354 2016-03-07 >> 18:52 VK3ELV 0.475774 -25 1 QF33bq 5 JH3XCU PM95sm 8016 >> 354 2016-03-07 18:48 VK3ELV 0.475774 -26 1 QF33bq 5 >> JH3XCU PM95sm 8016 354 2016-03-07 18:40 VK3ELV 0.475773 -27 >> 1 QF33bq 5 JH3XCU PM95sm 8016 354 2016-03-07 18:30 VK3ELV >> 0.475774 -25 0 QF33bq 5 JH3XCU PM95sm 8016 354 2016-03-07 >> 18:26 VK3ELV 0.475774 -27 1 QF33bq 5 JH3XCU PM95sm 8016 >> 354 2016-03-07 18:16 VK3ELV 0.475774 -29 0 QF33bq 5 >> JH3XCU PM95sm 8016 354 2016-03-07 16:58 VK3ELV 0.475774 -23 >> 1 QF33bq 5 JH3XCU PM95sm 8016 354 2016-03-07 16:40 VK3ELV >> 0.475773 -28 1 QF33bq 5 JH3XCU PM95sm 8016 354 2016-03-07 >> 15:42 VK3ELV 0.475774 -29 1 QF33bq 5 JH3XCU PM95sm 8016 >> 354 * >> >> >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ >> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Rik Strobbe [ >> rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be] >> *Verzonden:* maandag 7 maart 2016 22:47 >> *Aan:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Onderwerp:* RE: LF: strange MF TA propagation last night >> >> Hello Alan, >> >> >> >> thanks for your reply. >> >> I was just wondering if (and how) the strange propagation was correlated >> to the solar events. >> >> Although the WSPR SNR values have to be interpreted the sharp eak >> at 05:02 (-8dB at DL4RAJ) is remarkable and would be pretty close to CW >> copy level. >> >> >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ >> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Alan Melia [ >> alan.melia@btinternet.com] >> *Verzonden:* maandag 7 maart 2016 15:27 >> *Aan:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Onderwerp:* Re: LF: strange MF TA propagation last night >> >> Hi Rik I looked at your initial posting and the first thing I noticed was >> the Pacific DX was all before the CME impact and conditions re Dst were >> good. >> >> I have pondered the use of WSPR for propagation research and have given >> up on it at the moment. My opinion is that there are too many unknowns to >> really make any worthwhile detailed predictions on the basis of a few >> spots. Again I may just be being cynical (but that is the nature of "the >> scientific method" :-)) ) To explain.....I feel it just as necessary to >> consider no-spots as spots.......but your other message suggests that there >> was a no-spot period because the TA station was not transmitting. I am also >> suspicious of a cluster like you point out. I wonder if because of internet >> connectivity whether one receiver says "ah WD2xyz was received a few km >> away so that noise must be WD2xyz". There has also been much discussion >> over the last 9 months of spots not being recorded centrally despite >> attempted uploads. This may be due to s/w deficiencies or network >> contention now there are so many "listeners" It would seem that more than >> one central logging site is necessary, probably in different continents to >> allow for these problems. Also as Andy G4JNT says there is always the >> probability of "false positives" in any statistical process, and multiple >> occurances are needed to reduce this probability......think the so-called >> 5-sigma levels often quoted by CERN on their expeiments. I can't remember >> the exact levels but 3-sigma is a probability of less than about 2 chances >> in 100 observations of getting a "false positive". One would need much more >> data to achieve even those levels with WSPR spots. >> >> On the other hand there is the possibility that the early morning spots >> are the result of the "hot electron" aborption from the precipitated >> electrons killing the manmade night-time noise early, and the range (3 or 4 >> night-time hops) just happening to add constructively. also the result of >> the impact around 00:00z distorts the envelope of the magnetosphere. This >> could quite possibly lead lead to a foussing effect or >> favourable constructive fading. >> >> In conclusion .....I dont know!! but these occasions are always >> interesting and fun :-)) >> >> Alan >> G3NYK >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Rik Strobbe >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Monday, March 07, 2016 12:51 PM >> *Subject:* RE: LF: strange MF TA propagation last night >> >> Hi Stefan, all, >> >> >> >> to get the facts right: there were many other EU's "listening" at that >> time (> 30), but any one (you) at less than 500 km from the JN68 group. >> >> So it's not sure how focussed the propagation was. But is nevertheless >> remarkable that serval other Eu's that are known to have "good ears >> " didn't copy any TA last night. >> >> >> >> BTW, in my earlier list I did miss the 05:02 UTC copy at DL4RAJ, the >> complete sequence is: >> >> >> >> *2016-03-07 04:40 WH2XND 0.475740 -30 0 DM33xt 5 DL4RAJ JN68kj 9367 33 * >> >> >> >> >> >> *2016-03-07 04:52 WG2XXM 0.475711 -30 0 EM15lj 5 DL4RAJ JN68kj 8406 40 >> 2016-03-07 05:02 WH2XND 0.475740 -8 0 DM33xt 5 DL4RAJ JN68kj 9367 33 >> 2016-03-07 05:02 WH2XND 0.475740 -16 0 DM33xt 5 DH5RAE JN68qv 9352 33 >> 2016-03-07 05:02 WH2XND 0.475740 -22 0 DM33xt 5 DJ0ABR JN68nt 9346 33 >> 2016-03-07 05:12 WH2XND 0.475740 -30 0 DM33xt 5 DL4RAJ JN68kj 9367 33 * >> >> *2016-03-07 05:00 WG2XKA 0.475723 -25 0 FN33lq 1 DL4RAJ JN68kj 6292 53 * >> >> >> >> It seems that the propagation peaked at +/- 05:00 UTC. >> >> The fact that DL4RAJ copied most of it is probably due to his "good ears" >> (last night DL4RAJ had 6 copies of EA5DOM, while just 1 for DJ0ABR >> and nil for DH5RAE). >> >> >> >> Maybe G3NYK and/or PA0RDT can link strange propagation this to some >> propagation mechanism / solar event? >> >> >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ >> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens DK7FC [selberdenken@posteo.de] >> *Verzonden:* maandag 7 maart 2016 11:40 >> *Aan:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Onderwerp:* Re: LF: strange MF TA propagation last night >> >> Wow, very impressive. >> As we saw in the past, JN68 is a special field... >> >> The dst plot showed a dramatical dip. On LF we think that propagation >> must be down for days but on MF i thought there can be miracles. Thus i >> started the TX over the night. And see here, the miracle happened! >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> Am 07.03.2016 09:15, schrieb Rik Strobbe: >> >> I just noticed very strange TA propagation on MF last night: >> >> >> >> During a very short period (04:40 - 05:02) 3 US stations were copied >> in southern Germany, but nowhere else in Europe: >> >> >> >> *2016-03-07 04:40 WH2XND 0.475740 -30 0 DM33xt 5 DL4RAJ JN68kj 9367 33 * >> >> >> >> *2016-03-07 >> 05:02 WH2XND 0.475740 -16 0 DM33xt 5 DH5RAE JN68qv 9352 33 >> 2016-03-07 05:02 WH2XND 0.475740 -22 >> 0 DM33xt 5 DJ0ABR JN68nt 9346 33 2016-03-07 04:52 WG2XXM 0.475711 >> -30 0 EM15lj 5 DL4RAJ JN68kj 8406 40 2016-03-07 >> 05:00 WG2XKA 0.475723 -25 0 FN33lq 1 DL4RAJ JN68kj 6292 53 * >> >> >> >> The signals were partially very strong (up to -16dB) and the 3 EU >> stations are located close together. >> >> Also the distances are remarkable, up to 9367 km. >> >> Based on WSPRNET data at least a dozen other stations were receiving WSPR >> in Western Europe at that time, but not a single copy from them! >> >> >> >> During the same time period one German station was copied in the US: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *2016-03-07 04:54 DK7FC 0.475682 -26 >> 0 JN49ik 1 WA3TTS/2 EN90xn 6636 298 2016-03-07 >> 05:04 DK7FC 0.475682 -20 0 JN49ik 1 WG2XJM EN91wr 6557 299 >> 2016-03-07 05:04 DK7FC 0.475684 -17 0 JN49ik 1 WE2XGR FN31ls 6099 >> 295 2016-03-07 05:14 DK7FC 0.475680 -22 >> 1 JN49ik 1 WG2XKA FN33lq 5970 297* >> >> >> >> Further there was also some trans Pacific DX: >> >> >> >> Hawaii-Australia: >> >> >> >> >> >> *2016-03-06 10:36 WH2XCR 0.475798 -31 >> 0 BL11je 1 VK2XGJ QF55jl 8278 222 2016-03-06 15:12 VK4YB 0.475617 >> -24 -1 QG62ku 5 WH2XCR BL11je 7597 50 2016-03-06 >> 15:06 WH2XCR 0.475798 -26 0 BL11je 1 VK4YB QG62ku 7597 227 * >> >> >> >> Australia-Japan: >> >> >> >> *2016-03-06 15:08 VK3ELV 0.475775 -27 >> 1 QF33bq 5 JH1INM PM95iq 8043 354 * >> >> >> >> Hawaii-mainland US: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *2016-03-06 07:58 WG2XKA 0.475724 -28 >> 0 FN33lq 1 WH2XCR BL11je 7945 282 2016-03-06 >> 08:02 WH2XCR 0.475798 -27 -1 BL11je 1 WG2XJM EN91wr 7413 52 >> 2016-03-06 07:48 WG2XJM 0.475782 -22 >> -1 EN91wr 5 WH2XCR BL11je 7413 278 2016-03-06 >> 07:32 WH2XCR 0.475798 -30 0 BL11je 1 SWL/K9 EN61 6844 53 >> 2016-03-06 07:32 WH2XCR 0.475798 -28 >> 0 BL11je 1 WB0VAK EN34ia 6328 50 2016-03-06 07:58 WG2XWS 0.475792 >> -19 0 DH89 1 WA3TTS/2 EN90xn 6153 21 2016-03-06 >> 07:58 WG2XWS 0.475652 -23 0 DH89 1 WB0VAK EN34ia 6144 9 >> 2016-03-06 07:34 WG2XIQ 0.475611 -18 >> 0 EM12mp 5 WH2XCR BL11je 6030 274 2016-03-06 >> 07:32 WH2XCR 0.475799 -27 0 BL11je 1 WG2XIQ EM12 6023 65 >> 2016-03-06 07:34 WG2XXM 0.475712 -13 >> -1 EM15lj 5 WH2XCR BL11je 6007 272 2016-03-06 >> 07:32 WH2XCR 0.475798 -28 0 BL11je 1 WG2XXM EM15lj 6007 61 * >> >> >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> > --001a1142644666ff20052d7e78d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I gather and publish the WSPR data on that path and a= ll other relevant paths each and every day on my website.=C2=A0 Its there t= o be reviewed.=C2=A0 The only complication with the VK/JA reports is that t= he International dateline and the time that I gather the data sometimes res= ult in a day's data being reported during the following session.=C2=A0 = I do my best not to miss the reports, regardless of who or how many station= s are providing them.

73,

John

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 5:40 PM, = Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi John if there is that much data on = the path it=20 would be worth gathering together and looking at. Individual spots are not = too=20 interesting, multiple=C2=A0spots from one station are more interesting but= =20 multiple overlapping spots from several stations could start to be useful, = and=20 worth the effort looking to see if there is any new information in=20 there.
=C2=A0
Alan
G3NYK
=C2=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Langridge=20
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:07= =20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: strange MF TA=20 propagation last night

I should point out that the VK3ELV --> JA event happens just abou= t=20 every night that Phil is QRV.=C2=A0 Its been a season long event, not=20 constrained by this geomagnetic event.=C2=A0 What was abnormal from last = week=20 was that ELV, like WE2XPQ, experienced a session where 5-7 JA stations we= re=20 supplying reports.=C2=A0 That was abnormal, but 3-5 days before this=20 geomagnetic event.

73!

John KB5NJD / WG2XIQ..

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> wrote:

The fun might still be going on tonight, have a look at this impress= ive=20 VK-JA series:

=C2=A0

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=C2=A02016-03-07 18:16=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 VK3ELV=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.475774=C2=A0=C2=A0 -29=C2=A0=C2=A0 0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =20 QF33bq=C2=A0=C2=A0 5=C2=A0=C2=A0 JH3XCU=C2=A0=C2=A0 PM95sm=C2=A0=C2=A0= =20 8016=C2=A0=C2=A0 354=C2=A0
=C2=A02016-03-07 16:58=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 VK3ELV=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.475774=C2=A0=C2=A0 -23=C2=A0=C2=A0 1=C2=A0=C2=A0= =20 QF33bq=C2=A0=C2=A0 5=C2=A0=C2=A0 JH3XCU=C2=A0=C2=A0 PM95sm=C2=A0=C2=A0= =20 8016=C2=A0=C2=A0 354=C2=A0
=C2=A02016-03-07 16:40=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 VK3ELV=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.475773=C2=A0=C2=A0 -28=C2=A0=C2=A0 1=C2=A0=C2=A0= =20 QF33bq=C2=A0=C2=A0 5=C2=A0=C2=A0 JH3XCU=C2=A0=C2=A0 PM95sm=C2=A0=C2=A0= =20 8016=C2=A0=C2=A0 354=C2=A0
=C2=A02016-03-07 15:42=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 VK3ELV=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.475774=C2=A0=C2=A0 -29=C2=A0=C2=A0 1=C2=A0=C2=A0= =20 QF33bq=C2=A0=C2=A0 5=C2=A0=C2=A0 JH3XCU=C2=A0=C2=A0 PM95sm=C2=A0=C2=A0= =20 8016=C2=A0=C2=A0 354=C2=A0

=C2=A0

73, Rik=C2=A0 ON7YD - OR7T

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org] namens Rik Strobbe [rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be]
Verzon= den: maandag=20 7 maart 2016 22:47
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwe= rp: RE: LF:=20 strange MF TA propagation last night

Hello Alan,

=C2=A0

thanks for your reply.

I was just wondering if (and how) the strange propagation was correl= ated=20 to the solar events.

Although the WSPR SNR values have to be interpreted the sharp eak=20 at=C2=A005:02 (-8dB at DL4RAJ) is remarkable and would be pretty close = to CW=20 copy level.

=C2=A0

73, Rik=C2=A0 ON7YD - OR7T

=C2=A0

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org] namens Alan Melia [alan.melia@btinternet.com]
Verzonden:<= /b> maandag 7=20 maart 2016 15:27
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp= : Re: LF:=20 strange MF TA propagation last night

Hi Rik I looked at your initial po= sting and the=20 first thing I noticed was the Pacific DX was all=C2=A0before the CME im= pact=20 and conditions re Dst were good.
=C2=A0
I have pondered the use of WSPR fo= r propagation=20 research and have given up on it at the moment. My opinion is that ther= e are=20 too many unknowns to really make any worthwhile detailed predictions on= the=20 basis of a few spots.=C2=A0 Again I may just be being cynical=C2=A0 (bu= t=20 that is the nature of "the scientific method"=C2=A0 :-))=C2= =A0 ) To=20 explain.....I feel it just as necessary to consider no-spots as=20 spots.......but your other message suggests that there was a no-spot pe= riod=20 because the TA station was not transmitting. I am also suspicious of a= =20 cluster like=C2=A0you point out. I wonder if because of internet=20 connectivity whether one receiver says "ah WD2xyz was received a f= ew km away=20 so=C2=A0that noise must be WD2xyz". There has also been much discu= ssion over=20 the last 9 months of spots not being recorded centrally despite attempt= ed=20 uploads. This may be due to s/w deficiencies or network contention now = there=20 are so many "listeners"=C2=A0 It would seem that more than on= e=C2=A0central=20 logging site is necessary, probably in different continents to allow fo= r=20 these problems.=C2=A0Also as=C2=A0Andy G4JNT says there is always the= =20 probability of "false positives" in any statistical process, = and multiple=20 occurances are needed to reduce this probability......think the so-call= ed=20 5-sigma levels often quoted by CERN on their expeiments. I can't re= member=20 the exact levels but 3-sigma is a probability of less than about=C2=A02= =20 chances in 100 observations of getting a "false positive". On= e would need=20 much more data to achieve even those levels with WSPR spots.
=C2=A0
On the other hand there is the pos= sibility that=20 the early morning spots are the result of the "hot electron" = aborption from=20 the precipitated electrons killing the manmade night-time noise early, = and=20 the range (3 or 4 night-time hops) just happening to add constructively= .=20 also the result of the impact around=C2=A0 00:00z distorts the envelope= of=20 the magnetosphere. This could quite possibly lead lead to a foussing ef= fect=20 or favourable=C2=A0constructive fading.
=C2=A0
In conclusion .....I dont know!!= =C2=A0 but=20 these occasions are always interesting=C2=A0and fun=C2=A0 :-))
=C2=A0
Alan
G3NYK
=C2=A0
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Strobbe=20
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 12= :51=20 PM
Subject: RE: LF: strange MF TA= =20 propagation last night

Hi=C2=A0Stefan, all,

=C2=A0

to=C2=A0get the=C2=A0facts=20 right:=C2=A0there=C2=A0were=C2=A0many=C2=A0other= =C2=A0EU's=20 "listening" at=C2=A0that time (>=20 30),=C2=A0but=C2=A0any=C2=A0one (you)=20 at=C2=A0less=C2=A0than 500 km=C2=A0from=20 the=C2=A0JN68 group.

So=C2=A0it's=C2=A0not=C2=A0sure=C2= =A0how=C2=A0focussed=20 the=C2=A0propagation was.=C2=A0But=20 is=C2=A0nevertheless=C2=A0remarkable=C2=A0that= =C2=A0serval=C2=A0other=C2=A0Eu's=C2=A0that= =20 are=C2=A0known to have "good=20 ears"=C2=A0didn't=C2=A0copy=C2=A0any= TA last=20 night.

=C2=A0

BTW, in=C2=A0my=C2=A0earlier list I=C2=A0did = miss=20 the 05:02=C2=A0UTC=C2=A0copy at DL4RAJ, the=20 complete=C2=A0sequence is:

=C2=A0

2016-03-07 04:40=C2=A0WH2XND 0.= 475740=20 -30 0=C2=A0DM33xt 5=C2=A0DL4RAJ=C2=A0JN68kj 9367= 33=20
<= em>2016-03-07 04:52=C2=A0WG2XXM 0.475711= -30=20 0=C2=A0EM15lj 5=C2=A0DL4RAJ=C2=A0JN68kj 8406 40= =20
2016-03-07 05:02=C2=A0WH2XND 0.475740 -8=20 0=C2=A0DM33xt 5=C2=A0DL4RAJ=C2=A0JN68kj 9367 33= =20
2016-03-07 05:02=C2=A0WH2XND 0.475740 -16=20 0=C2=A0DM33xt 5=C2=A0DH5RAE=C2=A0JN68qv 9352 33= =20
2016-03-07 05:02=C2=A0WH2XND 0.475740 -22 0=C2=A0DM33xt= =20 5=C2=A0DJ0ABR=C2=A0JN68nt 9346 33
2016-03-07 05:12=C2=A0WH2XND 0.475740 -30=20 0=C2=A0DM33xt 5=C2=A0DL4RAJ=C2=A0JN68kj 9367 33= =20

2016-03-07 05:00=C2=A0WG2XKA 0.= 475723=20 -25 0=C2=A0FN33lq 1=C2=A0DL4RAJ=C2=A0JN68kj 6292= 53=20

=C2=A0

It=C2=A0seems=C2=A0that=20 the=C2=A0propagation=C2=A0peaked at +/- 05:00=20 UTC.

The=C2=A0fact=C2=A0that=C2=A0DL4RAJ=C2=A0copi= ed=20 most of=C2=A0it is=C2=A0probably=C2=A0due=20 to=C2=A0his=C2=A0"good ears"=20 (last=C2=A0night=C2=A0DL4RAJ had 6 copies of=20 EA5DOM,=C2=A0while=C2=A0just=20 1=C2=A0for=C2=A0DJ0ABR and=C2=A0nil=C2=A0for<= /a>=20 DH5RAE).

=C2=A0

Maybe=C2=A0G3NYK=20 and/or=C2=A0PA0RDT=C2=A0can=20 link=C2=A0strange=C2=A0propagation=C2=A0this=C2= =A0to=C2=A0some=C2=A0propagation=C2=A0mechanism=20 /=C2=A0solar event?

=C2=A0

73, Rik=C2=A0=C2=A0ON7YD - OR7T

=C2=A0

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org] namens DK7FC [selberdenken@posteo.de]
Verzonden: maand= ag 7=20 maart 2016 11:40
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwe= rp: Re:=20 LF: strange MF TA propagation last night

Wow, very impressive.
As we saw in the past, JN68 is a specia= l=20 field...

The dst plot showed a dramatical dip. On LF we think = that=20 propagation must be down for days but on MF i thought there can be=20 miracles. Thus i started the TX over the night. And see here, the mir= acle=20 happened!

73, Stefan

Am 07.03.2016 09:15, schrieb Rik= =20 Strobbe:=20

I=C2=A0just=C2=A0noticed=C2=A0very=C2=A0strange=20 TA=C2=A0propagation=C2=A0on=C2=A0MF last night:

=C2=A0

During=C2=A0a=C2=A0very short=C2=A0period (04:40 - 05:02) 3 US= =20 stations=C2=A0were=C2=A0copied in=C2=A0southern=20 Germany,=C2=A0but=C2=A0nowhere=C2=A0else in Europe:

=C2=A0

2016-03-07=20 04:40=C2=A0WH2XND=C2=A00.475740=C2=A0-30=C2=A0=C2=A00=C2=A0DM33xt= =C2=A05=C2=A0DL4RAJ=C2=A0=C2=A0JN68kj=C2=A09367=C2=A033=20
2016-03-07=20 05:02=C2=A0WH2XND=C2=A0=C2=A00.475740=C2=A0-16=C2=A0=C2=A00=C2=A0= =C2=A0DM33xt=C2=A0=C2=A05=C2=A0=C2=A0DH5RAE=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0JN68qv=C2=A0= =C2=A09352=20 =C2=A033
2016-03-07 05:02=C2=A0=C2=A0WH2XND=C2=A0=C2=A00.475740= =20 =C2=A0-22=20 =C2=A00=C2=A0=C2=A0DM33xt=C2=A0=C2=A05=C2=A0=C2=A0DJ0ABR=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0JN68nt=C2=A0=C2=A09346=20 =C2=A033
2016-03-07 04:52=C2=A0=C2=A0WG2XXM=C2=A0=C2=A00.475711= =20 =C2=A0-30=20 =C2=A00=C2=A0=C2=A0EM15lj=C2=A0=C2=A05=C2=A0=C2=A0DL4RAJ=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0JN68kj=C2=A0=C2=A08406=20 =C2=A040
2016-03-07 05:00=C2=A0=C2=A0WG2XKA=C2=A0=C2=A00.475723= =20 =C2=A0-25=20 =C2=A00=C2=A0=C2=A0FN33lq=C2=A0=C2=A01=C2=A0=C2=A0DL4RAJ=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0JN68kj=C2=A0=C2=A06292=20 =C2=A053

=C2=A0

The=C2=A0signals=C2=A0were=C2=A0partially=C2=A0very=C2=A0strong = (up=20 to -16dB) and the 3 EU stations are=C2=A0located close together.

Also=C2=A0the=C2=A0distances are remarkable, up to 9367 km.

Based=C2=A0on=C2=A0WSPRNET data at=C2=A0least a=20 dozen=C2=A0other=C2=A0stations=C2=A0were=C2=A0receiving=C2=A0WSPR i= n=20 Western=C2=A0Europe at=C2=A0that time,=C2=A0but=C2=A0not a=20 single=C2=A0copy=C2=A0from them!

=C2=A0

During=C2=A0the=C2=A0same time=C2=A0period=C2=A0one=C2=A0German= =20 station was=C2=A0copied in the US:

=C2=A0

2016-03-07=20 04:54=C2=A0=C2=A0DK7FC=C2=A0=C2=A00.475682 =C2=A0-26=20 =C2=A00=C2=A0=C2=A0JN49ik=C2=A0=C2=A01=C2=A0=C2=A0WA3TTS/2=C2=A0=C2= =A0EN90xn=C2=A0=C2=A06636=20 =C2=A0298
2016-03-07 05:04=C2=A0=C2=A0DK7FC=C2=A0=C2=A00.475682= =20 =C2=A0-20=20 =C2=A00=C2=A0=C2=A0JN49ik=C2=A0=C2=A01=C2=A0=C2=A0WG2XJM=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0EN91wr=C2=A0=C2=A06557=20 =C2=A0299
2016-03-07 05:04=C2=A0=C2=A0DK7FC=C2=A0=C2=A00.475684= =20 =C2=A0-17=20 =C2=A00=C2=A0=C2=A0JN49ik=C2=A0=C2=A01=C2=A0=C2=A0WE2XGR=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0FN31ls=C2=A0=C2=A06099=20 =C2=A0295
2016-03-07 05:14=C2=A0=C2=A0DK7FC=C2=A0=C2=A00.475680= =20 =C2=A0-22=20 =C2=A01=C2=A0=C2=A0JN49ik=C2=A0=C2=A01=C2=A0=C2=A0WG2XKA=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0FN33lq=C2=A0=C2=A05970=20 =C2=A0297

=C2=A0

Further=C2=A0there was=C2=A0also=C2=A0some trans Pacific DX:

=C2=A0

Hawaii-Australia:

=C2=A0

2016-03-06=20 10:36=C2=A0=C2=A0WH2XCR=C2=A0=C2=A00.475798 =C2=A0-31=20 =C2=A00=C2=A0=C2=A0BL11je=C2=A0=C2=A01=C2=A0=C2=A0VK2XGJ=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0QF55jl=C2=A0=C2=A08278=20 =C2=A0222
2016-03-06 15:12=C2=A0=C2=A0VK4YB=C2=A0=C2=A00.475617= =20 =C2=A0-24=20 =C2=A0-1=C2=A0=C2=A0QG62ku=C2=A0=C2=A05=C2=A0=C2=A0WH2XCR=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0BL11je=C2=A0=C2=A07597=20 =C2=A050
2016-03-06 15:06=C2=A0=C2=A0WH2XCR=C2=A0=C2=A00.475798= =20 =C2=A0-26=20 =C2=A00=C2=A0=C2=A0BL11je=C2=A0=C2=A01=C2=A0=C2=A0VK4YB=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0QG62ku=C2=A0=C2=A07597=20 =C2=A0227

=C2=A0

Australia-Japan:

=C2=A0

2016-03-06=20 15:08=C2=A0=C2=A0VK3ELV=C2=A0=C2=A00.475775 =C2=A0-27=20 =C2=A01=C2=A0=C2=A0QF33bq=C2=A0=C2=A05=C2=A0=C2=A0JH1INM=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0PM95iq=C2=A0=C2=A08043=20 =C2=A0354

=C2=A0

Hawaii-mainland=C2=A0US:

=C2=A0

2016-03-06=20 07:58=C2=A0=C2=A0WG2XKA=C2=A0=C2=A00.475724 =C2=A0-28=20 =C2=A00=C2=A0=C2=A0FN33lq=C2=A0=C2=A01=C2=A0=C2=A0WH2XCR=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0BL11je=C2=A0=C2=A07945=20 =C2=A0282
2016-03-06 08:02=C2=A0=C2=A0WH2XCR=C2=A0=C2=A00.47579= 8=20 =C2=A0-27=20 =C2=A0-1=C2=A0=C2=A0BL11je=C2=A0=C2=A01=C2=A0=C2=A0WG2XJM=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0EN91wr=C2=A0=C2=A07413=20 =C2=A052
2016-03-06 07:48=C2=A0=C2=A0WG2XJM=C2=A0=C2=A00.475782= =20 =C2=A0-22=20 =C2=A0-1=C2=A0=C2=A0EN91wr=C2=A0=C2=A05=C2=A0=C2=A0WH2XCR=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0BL11je=C2=A0=C2=A07413=20 =C2=A0278
2016-03-06 07:32=C2=A0=C2=A0WH2XCR=C2=A0=C2=A00.47579= 8=20 =C2=A0-30=20 =C2=A00=C2=A0=C2=A0BL11je=C2=A0=C2=A01=C2=A0=C2=A0SWL/K9=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0EN61=C2=A0=C2=A06844=20 =C2=A053
2016-03-06 07:32=C2=A0=C2=A0WH2XCR=C2=A0=C2=A00.475798= =20 =C2=A0-28=20 =C2=A00=C2=A0=C2=A0BL11je=C2=A0=C2=A01=C2=A0=C2=A0WB0VAK=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0EN34ia=C2=A0=C2=A06328=20 =C2=A050
2016-03-06 07:58=C2=A0=C2=A0WG2XWS=C2=A0=C2=A00.475792= =20 =C2=A0-19=20 =C2=A00=C2=A0=C2=A0DH89=C2=A0=C2=A01=C2=A0=C2=A0WA3TTS/2=C2=A0=C2= =A0EN90xn=C2=A0=C2=A06153=20 =C2=A021
2016-03-06 07:58=C2=A0=C2=A0WG2XWS=C2=A0=C2=A00.475652= =20 =C2=A0-23=20 =C2=A00=C2=A0=C2=A0DH89=C2=A0=C2=A01=C2=A0=C2=A0WB0VAK=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0EN34ia=C2=A0=C2=A06144=20 =C2=A09
2016-03-06 07:34=C2=A0=C2=A0WG2XIQ=C2=A0=C2=A00.475611= =20 =C2=A0-18=20 =C2=A00=C2=A0=C2=A0EM12mp=C2=A0=C2=A05=C2=A0=C2=A0WH2XCR=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0BL11je=C2=A0=C2=A06030=20 =C2=A0274
2016-03-06 07:32=C2=A0=C2=A0WH2XCR=C2=A0=C2=A00.47579= 9=20 =C2=A0-27=20 =C2=A00=C2=A0=C2=A0BL11je=C2=A0=C2=A01=C2=A0=C2=A0WG2XIQ=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0EM12=C2=A0=C2=A06023=20 =C2=A065
2016-03-06 07:34=C2=A0=C2=A0WG2XXM=C2=A0=C2=A00.475712= =20 =C2=A0-13=20 =C2=A0-1=C2=A0=C2=A0EM15lj=C2=A0=C2=A05=C2=A0=C2=A0WH2XCR=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0BL11je=C2=A0=C2=A06007=20 =C2=A0272
2016-03-06 07:32=C2=A0=C2=A0WH2XCR=C2=A0=C2=A00.47579= 8=20 =C2=A0-28=20 =C2=A00=C2=A0=C2=A0BL11je=C2=A0=C2=A01=C2=A0=C2=A0WG2XXM=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0EM15lj=C2=A0=C2=A06007=20 =C2=A061

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73, Rik=C2=A0=C2=A0ON7YD -=20 OR7T

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