Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u27EKskv028326 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 15:20:54 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1acvvn-0006Ue-PK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 14:14:43 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1acvvn-0006UV-5a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 14:14:43 +0000 Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1acvvl-0000xO-0u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 14:14:42 +0000 Received: from vz-proxy-l008.mx.aol.com ([64.236.82.152]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0O3O003R8A7T9R90@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 08:14:18 -0600 (CST) X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=WcjxEBVX c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=a3t/a0oOYlYu/nGe1mf8ZA==:117 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7OsogOcEt9IA:10 a=VVlED5B4AAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=JQNzjOq0YXqEXW8pMUEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Received: by 98.111.198.195 with SMTP id 4103b633; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 14:14:17 GMT Message-id: <835C37DA1E44499CBF2FD7CCC220CAB3@MichaelSappPC> From: "Michael Sapp" To: References: <8D3450D43313D4D-1358-E77F@webmail-vd003.sysops.aol.com> <56DC29C8.3010604@posteo.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444DD4BF@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be>, <56DD2595.5040506@no3m.net> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444DD7D8@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be>, <56DD5A82.70203@posteo.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444DD9C8@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be> <878C5DCAC99E4A8CBC810148F581CCF3@Clemens0811> In-reply-to: <878C5DCAC99E4A8CBC810148F581CCF3@Clemens0811> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 09:14:10 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Scan-Signature: 310131a5e532565f108a820138314750 Subject: Re: LF: WG2XWS false decode Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7240 Hi All: The WG2XWS call is in the FCC data base as issued to Northrop Grumman and based in Georgetown NJ. It appears to be a false decode even though more than one station reported it in the WSPR data base. As for the reported DH89 grid square, there is a very small chance one of those Easter Island Moai's was bootlegging ~:) It was nice to see DK7FC decode the other evening. 04:54 DK7FC 0.475682 -26 0 JN49ik 1 WA3TTS/2 EN90xn 6636 298 Comparison to WG2XJM's decodes and SNRs is about typical for Eric's large RX arrays (Circle 8 or phased beverages) vs my small garden EWE antenna. Eric's QTH is about 75~80 miles north of me. 73 Mike wa3tts ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clemens Paul" To: Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 8:35 AM Subject: RE: LF: strange MF TA propagation last night > Hi Rik, > > thanks for obeservations and for evaluating the somewhat mysterious > propagation > on MW into JN68. > There were other nights when even DH5RAE and DL0ABR didn't spot TA > stations > and I was the only one in Europe. > > 2016-02-16 05:08 WG2XXM 0.475711 -25 0 EM15lj 5 DL4RAJ > JN68kj 8406 40 > 2016-02-16 05:16 WG2XXM 0.475711 -29 0 EM15lj 5 DL4RAJ > JN68kj 8406 40 > 2016-02-18 05:44 WG2XPJ 0.475702 -26 0 FN34lp 1 DL4RAJ > JN68kj 6228 53 > 2016-02-19 05:46 WG2XKA 0.475723 -24 0 FN33lq 1 DL4RAJ > JN68kj 6292 53 > > But then there are nights when only Roelof,PA0RDT or Joe,DF2JP spot TA > stations. > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 1:51 PM >>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>Subject: RE: LF: strange MF TA propagation last night >> >>Hi Stefan, all, >> >> >> >>to get the facts right: there were many other EU's "listening" >>at that time (> 30), but any one (you) at less than 500 km >>from the JN68 group. >> >>So it's not sure how focussed the propagation was. But is >>nevertheless remarkable that serval other Eu's that are known >>to have "good ears" didn't copy any TA last night. >> >> >> >>BTW, in my earlier list I did miss the 05:02 UTC copy at >>DL4RAJ, the complete sequence is: >> >> >> >>2016-03-07 04:40 WH2XND 0.475740 -30 0 DM33xt 5 DL4RAJ JN68kj 9367 33 >>2016-03-07 04:52 WG2XXM 0.475711 -30 0 EM15lj 5 DL4RAJ JN68kj 8406 40 >>2016-03-07 05:02 WH2XND 0.475740 -8 0 DM33xt 5 DL4RAJ JN68kj 9367 33 >>2016-03-07 05:02 WH2XND 0.475740 -16 0 DM33xt 5 DH5RAE JN68qv 9352 33 >>2016-03-07 05:02 WH2XND 0.475740 -22 0 DM33xt 5 DJ0ABR JN68nt 9346 33 >>2016-03-07 05:12 WH2XND 0.475740 -30 0 DM33xt 5 DL4RAJ JN68kj 9367 33 >> >> >>2016-03-07 05:00 WG2XKA 0.475723 -25 0 FN33lq 1 DL4RAJ JN68kj 6292 53 >> >> >> >>It seems that the propagation peaked at +/- 05:00 UTC. >> >>The fact that DL4RAJ copied most of it is probably due to his >>"good ears" (last night DL4RAJ had 6 copies of EA5DOM, while >>just 1 for DJ0ABR and nil for DH5RAE). >> >> >> >>Maybe G3NYK and/or PA0RDT can link strange propagation this to >>some propagation mechanism / solar event? >> >> >> >>73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> >>Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>[owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens DK7FC >>[selberdenken@posteo.de] >>Verzonden: maandag 7 maart 2016 11:40 >>Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>Onderwerp: Re: LF: strange MF TA propagation last night >> >> >>Wow, very impressive. >>As we saw in the past, JN68 is a special field... >> >>The dst plot showed a dramatical dip. On LF we think that >>propagation must be down for days but on MF i thought there >>can be miracles. Thus i started the TX over the night. And see >>here, the miracle happened! >> >>73, Stefan >> >>Am 07.03.2016 09:15, schrieb Rik Strobbe: >> >> I just noticed very strange TA propagation on MF last night: >> >> >> >> During a very short period (04:40 - 05:02) 3 US >>stations were copied in southern Germany, but nowhere else in Europe: >> >> >> >> 2016-03-07 04:40 WH2XND 0.475740 -30 0 DM33xt 5 DL4RAJ >> JN68kj 9367 33 >> 2016-03-07 05:02 WH2XND 0.475740 -16 0 DM33xt 5 >>DH5RAE JN68qv 9352 33 >> 2016-03-07 05:02 WH2XND 0.475740 -22 0 DM33xt 5 >>DJ0ABR JN68nt 9346 33 >> 2016-03-07 04:52 WG2XXM 0.475711 -30 0 EM15lj 5 >>DL4RAJ JN68kj 8406 40 >> 2016-03-07 05:00 WG2XKA 0.475723 -25 0 FN33lq 1 >>DL4RAJ JN68kj 6292 53 >> >> >> >> The signals were partially very strong (up to -16dB) >>and the 3 EU stations are located close together. >> >> Also the distances are remarkable, up to 9367 km. >> >> Based on WSPRNET data at least a dozen other stations >>were receiving WSPR in Western Europe at that time, but not a >>single copy from them! >> >> >> >> During the same time period one German station was >>copied in the US: >> >> >> >> 2016-03-07 04:54 DK7FC 0.475682 -26 0 JN49ik 1 >>WA3TTS/2 EN90xn 6636 298 >> 2016-03-07 05:04 DK7FC 0.475682 -20 0 JN49ik 1 >>WG2XJM EN91wr 6557 299 >> 2016-03-07 05:04 DK7FC 0.475684 -17 0 JN49ik 1 >>WE2XGR FN31ls 6099 295 >> 2016-03-07 05:14 DK7FC 0.475680 -22 1 JN49ik 1 >>WG2XKA FN33lq 5970 297 >> >> >> >> Further there was also some trans Pacific DX: >> >> >> >> Hawaii-Australia: >> >> >> >> 2016-03-06 10:36 WH2XCR 0.475798 -31 0 BL11je 1 >>VK2XGJ QF55jl 8278 222 >> 2016-03-06 15:12 VK4YB 0.475617 -24 -1 QG62ku 5 >>WH2XCR BL11je 7597 50 >> 2016-03-06 15:06 WH2XCR 0.475798 -26 0 BL11je 1 >>VK4YB QG62ku 7597 227 >> >> >> >> Australia-Japan: >> >> >> >> 2016-03-06 15:08 VK3ELV 0.475775 -27 1 QF33bq 5 >>JH1INM PM95iq 8043 354 >> >> >> >> Hawaii-mainland US: >> >> >> >> 2016-03-06 07:58 WG2XKA 0.475724 -28 0 FN33lq 1 >>WH2XCR BL11je 7945 282 >> 2016-03-06 08:02 WH2XCR 0.475798 -27 -1 BL11je 1 >>WG2XJM EN91wr 7413 52 >> 2016-03-06 07:48 WG2XJM 0.475782 -22 -1 EN91wr 5 >>WH2XCR BL11je 7413 278 >> 2016-03-06 07:32 WH2XCR 0.475798 -30 0 BL11je 1 >>SWL/K9 EN61 6844 53 >> 2016-03-06 07:32 WH2XCR 0.475798 -28 0 BL11je 1 >>WB0VAK EN34ia 6328 50 >> 2016-03-06 07:58 WG2XWS 0.475792 -19 0 DH89 1 >>WA3TTS/2 EN90xn 6153 21 >> 2016-03-06 07:58 WG2XWS 0.475652 -23 0 DH89 1 >>WB0VAK EN34ia 6144 9 >> 2016-03-06 07:34 WG2XIQ 0.475611 -18 0 EM12mp 5 >>WH2XCR BL11je 6030 274 >> 2016-03-06 07:32 WH2XCR 0.475799 -27 0 BL11je 1 >>WG2XIQ EM12 6023 65 >> 2016-03-06 07:34 WG2XXM 0.475712 -13 -1 EM15lj 5 >>WH2XCR BL11je 6007 272 >> 2016-03-06 07:32 WH2XCR 0.475798 -28 0 BL11je 1 >>WG2XXM EM15lj 6007 61 >> >> >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> > > >