Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u21Ekaar011431 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 15:46:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1aalTg-0004uP-Dy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 14:40:44 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1aalTg-0004uG-33 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 14:40:44 +0000 Received: from mail-wm0-x22a.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aalTd-0007wk-WF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 14:40:42 +0000 Received: by mail-wm0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id l68so38487926wml.0 for ; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 06:40:41 -0800 (PST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=XLyKyETqPhDKLBaVtYG2/kZhhBuK0G8xSJrM5vdh7fw=; b=mXVj6buQXx8KQT/Y/a3SvmXVeb2Oj7vjJo20hedDfJFICNPM1Y1lYGdWkqV+AmSPEC Bfjrm440PD1lWR0pZvi3KVD0Z8NYQDPNgZ+5qkVrQHiRAmj1m6yJZItKcMEkAGGF1SbE lctDRr5SEVlchT3kK3WQuuY8ACgIG/yMYVb+HtbBZ2RGSqY2aDsvam6gR8H2fkWb8e8h c1C7/m6EjK56606mfD7t7dKxyd28QiRDJt8MyQ3FjtiH+T/CU61GOl8BN8yl4QnRsWL1 j3ijsJIKr+N5jhF31U9obqK7g8wsG2YKaq2dd0bLOkgThf1SdQehPELAesw4jIZIzn9z hyuw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=XLyKyETqPhDKLBaVtYG2/kZhhBuK0G8xSJrM5vdh7fw=; b=giM4ciaGDEAYZXjBCQ8/75pPfPtOfCtbAib0o1FoPbpyuuIsM63PxnQfX4dvWSslp/ 83ZyeJpz+0p7cBaXAKVrnEMnkO+DOJoQkz1iKWWZqxdshvufAUQfY41s+6NuK51HJ3wK raFtHOTOO+zvanZ3bQ0wi401rYhirkffGdaj+IXJK9f7+rDiZsdR3Bh+UACAURbx5uHr C5uiW9y6JuO79EuTTdWPihfsuQROUg/zXk93sfQPkiVzwrhdujUET5barbo9M2SfxL7E HeS3wn/4pe25z4Ps0fHF2rseOoJFB2JneY2eOlNT49jugxR3xCDka+NL3IsK1SfITou+ phNA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKNa5GHmm2ECJzkp9kDbOvbjZD9IOSMS1v1weiAXaFqdIhTgTeEMryHyTa72O5Paw== X-Received: by 10.28.131.141 with SMTP id f135mr4061410wmd.33.1456843241131; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 06:40:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([82.98.23.94]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z6sm1116110wme.9.2016.03.01.06.40.39 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 Mar 2016 06:40:40 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) From: John Rabson X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <002701d17120$4f3dfe10$6601a8c0@ehnebrcdvojcgn> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 15:40:36 +0100 Message-Id: <5DB9486F-635C-4F4B-85F7-EFB1635FAD50@gmail.com> References: <002701d17120$4f3dfe10$6601a8c0@ehnebrcdvojcgn> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Subject: Re: LF: Loop antenna 77,5kHz X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id u21Ekaar011431 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7152 Marcin, A few years ago I built an eight-turn loop about 2.2 m square. The unloaded Q was about 90, giving a bandwidth when series-resonated at 136 kHz of about 1.5 kHz, but it worked usefully for monitoring purposes from 75 to 183 kHz. The resistance at resonance was about 6ohm. The loop was fed through a 1:3.5 step up transformer on a ferrite toroid and then via a hundred metres of TV coax and a 20:20 isolation transformer wound on a Maplin N87AB toroid (this is not critical – a winding reactance of about 300 ohms at the working frequency would be good enough). This configuration achieved a null on DCF39 of 34dB but I reoriented it to reduce the signal from France Inter on 162 kHz. I am at the moment rebuilding this antenna as it was severely damaged in a recent storm but I have not found it necessary to change the parameters. Good luck with your experiments and 73, John F5VLF > On 27 Feb 2016, at 06:32, Marcin wrote: > > Thank you for so many answers regarding the depth of ground electrode. > > I’d like to build a loop antenna for DCF77 time signal radio station at 77,5kHz. At the desired destination, noise around the ferrite rod antenna effectively blocks entire signal. > Does anyone know how to build 1m x1m or 2m x 2m loop antenna? > What to look out for while constructing? > Thank you in advance. > > 73! Marcin SQ2BXI john.rabson07@gmail.com Researching history of RABSON, BLACKSHAW, GAUNTLETT, VERLANDER and ROBSONNE