Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u2LC9ist000595 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 13:09:44 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ahyYm-00085U-2Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 12:03:48 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ahyYl-00085L-M2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 12:03:47 +0000 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ahyYj-0007Yp-V5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 12:03:46 +0000 Received: from dovecot03.posteo.de (dovecot03.posteo.de [172.16.0.13]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D915020D3A for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 13:03:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.posteo.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dovecot03.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3qTDxq51HVz5vN2 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 13:03:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <56EFE31E.7040603@posteo.de> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 13:03:42 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444E1924@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444E5E57@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444E5E57@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be> X-Scan-Signature: 85c54099682e8e65d9e25bf804a68673 Subject: Re: LF: bandplan proposal at the next IARU Regon I Interim Meeting (Vienna,16-17 April 2016) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080309090205020103090001" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7443 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080309090205020103090001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ...instead of putting efforts in the definition of a band plan i suggest they focus on working to push the power limit by 10 dB upwards! That would be helpful. I bet, no one of those who want to decide where which mode can be used has ever been QRV, nor will ever! 73, Stefan Am 21.03.2016 10:48, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > > Dear all, > > at the next IARU Regon I Interim Meeting (Vienna, 16-17 April > 2016) there is a proposal that concerns the 630 m band: > > */*/It/* is recommended that beacons will be accepted in the plan > of usage of the 472 - 479 kHz band (630 m) in addition to > the Recommendation VA14_C4_REC_02: 476 - 477 kHz beacons – > maximum bandwidth 200 Hz. Maximum power output 1 W > EIRP. Beacon proposals should adhere to beacon recommendations in > the IARU Region 1 HF Managers' Handbook, and should be approved by > the IARU Region 1 Beacon Coordinator/* (introduced by NRRL) > > Besides the fact that I am not a fan of the urge to > put everything into strict rules and I have doubts about the > usefulness of beacons (there are dozens of NDB's in and near the 630 m > band), I do fear that an "official" beacon > band might attract people or clubs to put up a nice "tech project" > and leave us with the QRM. > > The targeted range (476-477 kHz) is de facto used for QRSS, a some > "wideband" CW beacons can cause a lot of harm. > > I wonder if NRRL consulted the few Norwegian hams that are active on > 630 m and if other in societies the band users were asked for advice? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > --------------080309090205020103090001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ...instead of putting efforts in the definition of a band plan i suggest they focus on working to push the power limit by 10 dB upwards! That would be helpful.
I bet, no one of those who want to decide where which mode can be used has ever been QRV, nor will ever!

73, Stefan

Am 21.03.2016 10:48, schrieb Rik Strobbe:

Dear all,

 

at the next IARU Regon I Interim Meeting (Vienna, 16-17 April 2016) there is a proposal that concerns the 630 m band:

 

It is recommended that beacons will be accepted in the plan of usage of the 472 - 479 kHz band (630 m) in addition to the Recommendation VA14_C4_REC_02:  476 - 477 kHz beacons – maximum bandwidth 200 Hz.  Maximum power output 1 W EIRP.  Beacon proposals should adhere to beacon recommendations in the IARU Region 1 HF Managers' Handbook, and should be approved by the IARU Region 1 Beacon Coordinator (introduced by NRRL)

 

Besides the fact that I am not a fan of the urge to put everything into strict rules and I have doubts about the usefulness of beacons (there are dozens of NDB's in and near the 630 m band), I do fear that an "official" beacon band might attract people or clubs to put up a nice "tech project" and leave us with the QRM.

The targeted range (476-477 kHz) is de facto used for QRSS, a some "wideband" CW beacons can cause a lot of harm.

 

I wonder if NRRL consulted the few Norwegian hams that are active on 630 m and if other in societies the band users were asked for advice?

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

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