Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1170; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u23J6qXo018855 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 20:06:52 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1abYVW-0003fO-HR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 19:01:54 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1abYVW-0003fB-2G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 19:01:54 +0000 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1abYVR-0002co-HB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 19:01:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([185.78.62.87]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MKHtm-1adCvq0t0g-001gOF for ; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 20:01:48 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <56D85BF0.90801@tele2.se> From: Tobias DG3LV Message-ID: <56D88A14.6030705@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 20:01:40 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56D85BF0.90801@tele2.se> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:T2W4PorZ8Ejm+1ShjMyhuINmGnaELJ04G55uHhnnnAe0In3f4sk uPXVX5zexrrRiAeQh6stvPfkYVIrlFnFWGoci64fonFHkrxcLMO/deFDu4eOtX8MW6kWDmL Nw7geh/s0PYN5sGme43krGuK2hpItLpRmL98Uq2mIlv9gKYLxVfLv++e3V0U0Rlr9ViKE2J EdmFhR5xMTp3Wvz1yjrAg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:3CstWlhQcVs=:b0zM7fmxoBJs9LmUCexBmp 5ZSHXBTW0Pm7B4i13sRFAUBhOTuNaLiyOxsxIH0ttPLpd1rYvPUIGgK57LlztK8mMnydZM9Bj 8wM56NON2no13DqZAEHFVBOKZXS6tn1/LriJu8mhM67uwq8Qn6ibYBjgYYDI9qR0TisqpcVmS ButfM9foJMJovAw8HVQU5bnFy5JRTQsRMnVMhquXqpzaH4b8+gVqnuchF3eHwBysoR45mgw1p cTZ+nYbzEMBME376z4H+Loj5zMku/jo0xN3/9F2U1+9rwr794rH9a60IN4oXIJYhLHLhHtD2P Wjt9IblQBvyTByaf+j5ElPOzChlwcFCvzt0k4TqbG9cd/PCfXyZuU0gihJFzskLUAWVGNJe2W 71+KH3ZQYMsgD2ts9/VwZSdNY519AX1ei9bCizCnQCl8ua2fzHy0frg94RQ8IKNQ3JP4HOFSg LC7Y9IWFx7mV8/TeyfmC3G+pVc9eWo1ZwzUOfcZ0gvVxhNx99/2noTIJ8F1c06iaBNUcT7Oc/ wsCCsBEuIuF1YR5thom7ekQHDn+0Nm4KOCi9j2VnyKH5WglPe6Hv/yrbHMOj5Zbawt1ZLUpQI 8FZ4DupRzLYQ1kBT7nL+QUQ1o5iPaRFRf0VyaHE6mr66eIJSz3+gJimHOIyrmhZnlDXm4Tifo AMjKOVuuUFPIcWWe6bgXHTXUw77FaiFAYUIGkF5eyMYDLR8uNHxUnjWVJoDXIO8fIHS4CDVxi AtkekOtmNXNToAJleEPlr2p95y37stS7y/NXmvTMVHtJeXsd77SlqaMR3Ad2K4qlNEbowo3Dy VCbL0Ci X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: MF: DC-Bias [was: EbNaut] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7190 Hi Clemens ! Please have a look at the website of Manfred, XQ6FOD to understand the necessity of this bifilar supply choke at a push-pull PA: http://ludens.cl/Electron/mosfetamps/amps.html ("Output architectures of conventional class AB push-pull amplifiers") Jochen DB1NV had held a lecture at Weinheim(2012?) about this, to be read in their scriptum. This "choke" is used as a kind of auto-transformer. When one transistor pulls down on one wire, it pushes up an equal amount of current into the second wire of the twisted pair (at the same time). By this it is doubling the (supply-)voltage of the second transistor. There is a significant step-up of power-efficiency (and of output power) at a PA designed this way. Efficiencies of well above 50 % have been acheived at my recent linear PAs for MF and HF. 73 de dg3lv Tobias Am 03.03.2016 um 16:44 schrieb Johan Bodin: > But if the winding is bifilar, usually a twisted pair, then, from the > core's point of view, it will look almost like a single wire carrying > current in alternating directions. The core has no way of knowing that > there are two wires instead of one so it will "see" a pure AC > excitation. Am I missing something obvious? > > 73 de > Johan SM6LKM > > cpaul@gmx.net wrote: > Hi Markus, > >> Clemens, I think that saturation from DC-biasing would only be >> a problem if the two transformer primaries (LP1 and LP2) were >> wound on separate cores. On a single toroid, the flux from the >> two DC currents should cancel. > It would appear that the flux from the two DC currents will not cancel > because they don't flow at one time. > The current into the center tap alternates from travelling through one > half of the winding then the > other due to the push pull action of the FETs. > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > >