Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u2EL3vVh017493 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 22:03:57 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1afZab-0007f5-AA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 20:59:45 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1afZaa-0007ew-S1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 20:59:44 +0000 Received: from resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:37]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1afZaY-0006J6-QJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 20:59:43 +0000 Received: from resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.114]) by resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id VwzL1s0032Udklx01wzfYj; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 20:59:39 +0000 Received: from Owner ([166.171.59.77]) by resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id VwzW1s0021fysGe01wzYQW; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 20:59:37 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=comcast.net Result=Signature OK From: To: References: <56E526C8.5010401@abelian.org> <1536f9e8813-7821-7aea@webprd-m99.mail.aol.com> <56E5DCEF.4050905@abelian.org> <56E7090D.4090601@tiscali.co.uk> <56E7122E.1090907@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <56E7122E.1090907@abelian.org> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 16:59:09 -0400 Message-ID: <016f01d17e34$65318b80$2f94a280$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFPe+x4FHKIRBNrVv/KwZeO/45yVQJPfmqZAgO+gewB7vGT4wIUU7Z1AX3m8qigDsATMA== Content-Language: en-us DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1457989179; bh=Gix/VCi5KrJa50zI1rL0LV3jbBsgjcBho+mB+sLiNOM=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=OJO5zHSR+pF/HNd4CGYFjUZ7WjC/KINChLnwPcuIeWqianPIgjW4lxJB5J3LvO97k 1qi3pjZ2pzsmBQxzjTLrUqD0Cs0YW5rM+6BnovtXWmJ/wa991uGTh/DSTW5TNkr+Zs 08sswUioCvANFShor9fOe6FBUZd/q8qu/VWAxDyI8Gu3eCArJxqkGwM6gyzjxSPDrJ jVurLL3KlOIgY/T+Wgy5CP3ZT/a4BfjE8eQPLGG80XQO76HKzit5ZaM1qyxS+voNSf YJcpsYZ3o87Fw63+JByfdKIh0mexAOKZL2R0yePEXPgVSJmdb0ljZ9PajTvYE5jGBI v9Ib5PI59v1PQ== X-Scan-Signature: fb3e28a759dea7e01d34d3fe7de7ae98 Subject: RE: LF: EbNaut from Todmorden Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7358 "... thinking about the costs and merits of kites and balloons." Kite/balloon = helikite, which provides interesting low-cost options for stable one-man deployment and operation, especially if a pickup truck is available. At some interesting VLF ERP levels, with a pickup truck available, it's not necessary to have a winch or commercial ground anchors, such that cost converges to helikite and helium, i.e. low cost. At lower ERP levels (antenna heights less than 200 meters), a pickup truck would not be necessary, and if some wind is presumed, a particularly low cost helikite could be used. Advantages of a helikite approach include vertical operation in still air, and good elevation angles in high winds. 73, Jim AA5BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Paul Nicholson Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 3:34 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: EbNaut from Todmorden Stefan and Markus, thanks very much for the reports! A nice result from Heidelberg and you did a full phase search in 15 degree steps! I think I've reached all the stations equiped for coherent reception - at least, with the available ERP. Not much hope of T/A unless much longer symbol periods are possible at LF. I'm keen to dismantle the tx as soon as possible, transmitting has been a lot of fun but I need to finish off some other things before summer arrives. Before taking down the antenna I'd like to see how well the long wire works for ELF reception. I don't expect it will work very well but it's worth a try while it's there. The wire wont last long anyway, the trees it passes over will, before too long, saw through the insulation and it will fail. It might be possible to put up a more permanent antenna, 100m long at 6m height might be feasible. Less ERP but at least it can be calculated and calibrated and it could stand a much higher voltage. Would be interesting to try VLF transmission but I'd have to apply for a Notice of Variation. The difficulty there is that for the NoV I have to plan things in advance and estimate ERP and so on, and have a particular purpose for it. This is probably one of the reasons there's been no UK VLF transmissions for some time. It's a lot of work and cost to gear up for VLF tx only for the limited period of the NoV. Nevertheless, I found myself thinking about the costs and merits of kites and balloons. There is, after all, the east-to-west T/A which hasn't been done yet. I started off in autumn making some improvements to the timing program 'vttime' and the changes looked promising. Putting it to a stiff test by trying to coherently receive LF through a sound card led to me needing an agile precision frequency source so I wrote a new synthesiser program which worked well enough to be worth giving it a name. The test signal into the rx wasn't strong enough so I needed a longer antenna to produce enough near field and I made a multiplier to boost the 3rd harmonic for LF. That led into transmitting which has been a lot of fun and I've learned quite a few things. But soon it is time to unravel these projects and close out the next revision of vlfrx-tools. -- Paul Nicholson --