Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 104; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u0U06goe028248 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:06:42 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1aPJ0b-0007Cj-Mv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 00:03:21 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1aPJ0b-0007Ca-7Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 00:03:21 +0000 Received: from mail-ig0-f172.google.com ([209.85.213.172]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aPIzX-0004OE-1s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 00:03:20 +0000 Received: by mail-ig0-f172.google.com with SMTP id z14so1526027igp.0 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:01:59 -0800 (PST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wvP8CxZ2fIDTEYxGXURZvz3AJwnD+C8oEQ1cVgSf8dM=; b=Zt1cF8oG8iC0ltD/AkDylOJqw2m7tJ/WCDVDhKVDMpiOPvt10wlXWyDkWB74XGogc0 efTTzRdoOw9jCpdsoTIHyqFOtq7XwucW5SLRmW9mmrupCGspZs2i0CpuZuRWG1JcGEU3 nbAnIIIxTU0xcAcqRpKEhCS1g9381fp2CiK5DhsPSo1VjlER2VR9VV0K61aic0QaD9mS ahUwxQJeQoMschwSnmirnOXdSXISkSAnQjF0ojqdhjijupK2EeyaegL+q7VWUvSKtHP8 NY6537KwkZDr71I2+4vzOkR9hTpZFNqkfAvZ8LtB0LpfM5Bimo5iZ01rU400CKadEYrM 8Drg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=wvP8CxZ2fIDTEYxGXURZvz3AJwnD+C8oEQ1cVgSf8dM=; b=gSsB5+9CuxzKMuNZv3q7GjBB63z/gGoTdXtl0PqW8jnfa8SYOWMONXr4MIYWGujvkL 63NlrdemJzpKgr15nf1Rdac6SvoYI3aPEEujdRhz/BY21l+Fu70G9Ue5NHJU5P4JZ0L+ r0VaOSOPy26e4DmSlPpALNxJSgs/pTWqOLa5tRvY9l3VvE5hiJhjiM3Xr7XmJ8+Hbbxt B0M5u5DPaVn37ITAAJNW0i2P/ZLICJp3hSVU146QuoA3kB8K6jZsdSCRr7jatHh8LZ+N GWAlkIykPixJZDlKSxwPJBMVgO88w3Moziz1QHotVEDGPHmvF5cB0YJvNMBsT5T8Sq/Z OVSA== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOS4VXXXRe/xoIr7cpG8YMn+zi8qxIZC0x3z+eon297QKFb7dwYBt75TXuMZIgVb1/U3whWljEc319XCiQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.126.2 with SMTP id mu2mr117295igb.72.1454112073475; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:01:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.196.193 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:01:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:01:13 +0100 Message-ID: From: Richard S To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: 420019f4991fbaa4f653703c21f48617 Subject: Re: LF: Re: MF powerful Beacon in Poland? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2e13399a7298052a81d9cd X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6551 --047d7b2e13399a7298052a81d9cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks for you input Alan, For me, the whole idea of such a beacon is to help take the hobby forward, rather than re-inventing the wheel ! If such a beacon causes QRM then it is counter productive. But with access to lots of tall buildings (50m is a minimum in Warsaw - 100-150m+ is also possible !) I was wondering if we could put the concrete jungle to good use (; 73s Richard SO5GB On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 12:13 AM, Alan Melia wrote: > Hi Richard the thinking on permanent high erp beacons has for some long > time on these narrow LF/MF bands is that they are not really needed now and > if installed make receiving weak DX stations more difficult for others. My > own thought is that you are in the wrong place.....too near the centre of > activity. A beacon to be useful needs to be at the perifery of operation. I > would venture that within Europe it has no real utility. Now a station like > that making contacts on CW and other modes would be welcomed I am sure. > > 50m is still "low" for a dipole and the "T" configuration would work > better at that height. > > Others may have different views :-)) > Alan > G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Richard S > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2016 10:04 PM > *Subject:* LF: MF powerful Beacon in Poland? > > Hi, > If a chance arose for a powerful traditional MF beacon in Poland would it > be of interest, or has WSPR done away with the need for traditional beacons? > > By powerful, it would be meant the full legal limit (1w!) into a half wave > dipole mounted high above ground level (minimum 50m, but possibly in excess > of 100m). > > Your thoughts gentlemen > > 73s > Richard SO5GB > > --047d7b2e13399a7298052a81d9cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for you input Alan,
Fo= r me, the whole idea of such a beacon is to help take the hobby forward, ra= ther than re-inventing the wheel ! If such a beacon causes QRM then it is c= ounter productive.

But with access to lots of tall buildings (= 50m is a minimum in Warsaw - 100-150m+ is also possible !) I was wondering = if we could put the concrete jungle to good use (;

73s
Richard SO5GB



On Sat, Jan 30= , 2016 at 12:13 AM, Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com><= /span> wrote:
Hi Richard the thinking on permanent h= igh erp=20 beacons has for some long time on these narrow LF/MF bands is that they are= not=20 really needed now and if installed make receiving weak DX stations more=20 difficult for others. My own thought is that you are in the wrong place....= .too=20 near the centre of activity. A beacon to be useful needs to be at the perif= ery=20 of operation. I would venture that within Europe it has no real utility. No= w a=20 station like that making contacts on CW and other modes would be welcomed I= am=20 sure.
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50m is still "low" for a dip= ole and the "T"=20 configuration would work better at that height.
=C2=A0
Others may have different views :-))
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Richard S
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:0= 4=20 PM
Subject: LF: MF powerful Beacon in= =20 Poland?

Hi,
If a chance arose for a powerful traditional MF beacon = in=20 Poland would it be of interest, or has WSPR done away with the need for= =20 traditional beacons?

By powerful, it would be meant the full legal limit (1w!) into a hal= f=20 wave dipole mounted high above ground level (minimum 50m, but possibly in= =20 excess of 100m).

Your thoughts gentlemen

73s
Richard SO5GB

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