Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1002; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u0UGMIIw029608 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 17:22:18 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1aPYDE-0000B1-4S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 16:17:24 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1aPYDD-0000Ar-LR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 16:17:23 +0000 Received: from mail-io0-f171.google.com ([209.85.223.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aPYCC-0006MJ-Qn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 16:17:22 +0000 Received: by mail-io0-f171.google.com with SMTP id f81so117738774iof.0 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 08:16:05 -0800 (PST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=r/Bxxf5a6FE9gRa4IevHIJqiFepTYiGHwcITT61d494=; b=MVgU1N9qWZryvINol0mnpLwy421qsIFUdEaDfq5F280fNpelchaxBUZ2CiYZRLLmNf QmXhQdOzwA/yERQNTEpED79Gmbayfei7c9PIN62hT1qvZFLRvNeTNvl/nCsCFEerT9dc SoNSLHo5SjKG0rEHxAWwYt2B6EDKbujoUnaZo8RvEdxJ5hXWvj69fdmfxK2sYe234pns lf2os1fgWFjMqFfg8541U1SYQvq18dDu2V/4P9/dyoU6LesJsQ8CFhqyhl4FNm4DlDz9 Qrn5HOqtSnj+BQ+D3bu/A6S9usN8TUY3jZU9TKFGBUhYtvrSNePV0eXHB/3O5llI6uLb 4nXw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=r/Bxxf5a6FE9gRa4IevHIJqiFepTYiGHwcITT61d494=; b=jxuZ2XvNXtcJciB/joOIGATt5WI55OoQBlWaHePe9cEJJNPdno/HiRVRr6h+AGiFT0 pLdIhgZHhl4de2RcoXNhaW0fnOCKbLQR0/J4PwKlz7dHD5GJ0XVPicnypjB/eMaNT7N2 lfQCbCF8By6BCjMX4WRMafG82qR5IEWM0rzkp5APnfTjsn8RGPHPXY8gm4UKGRFoCEpC Tvhu2KQWg0OVkqXUPOxSrb1XcnDxh90LaLsyTnA6CcqEXrtEA3tZ/AkQewsrdH130blH dafPelDK/3lsHksbCcAiE68muPJ4nlih9+UqVCAC4UueGri+W1PN1KgAFrynnNF70Tnb CluA== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YORw9IIvlnLX8UqFXufBKzOZ7RuXeb9UdWcIipBMNeb9jP6wA5MhqWhCeL/S1t3swEmHc40y8nEgGX5LKg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.11.68 with SMTP id v65mr15048198ioi.188.1454170518260; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 08:15:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.196.193 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 08:15:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1CE5E203E2CF4815BDAFB8E06D6C4541@gnat> References: <1CE5E203E2CF4815BDAFB8E06D6C4541@gnat> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 17:15:18 +0100 Message-ID: From: Richard S To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: 74b370a313f780c8b04cdb625468086b Subject: Re: LF: Re: MF powerful Beacon in Poland? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113fc3ce2f1604052a8f757c X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6557 --001a113fc3ce2f1604052a8f757c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Alan, thanks for this tip. As it happens, Poland seems to have a very good RF path to the East . When I was NDB DXing about 10 years ago it was a struggle to hear anything further West than say Berlin, while North and East brought it excellent reception. Its food for thought! 73s Richard On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 2:12 AM, Alan Melia wrote: > Richard It would be a shame not to use those facilities. The area that may > be useful is in providing another station that can fairly regularly be > copied in the USA and say Japan. That might encourage more onto the band in > those areas. That would mean tailoring the transmit times to suit them and > propagation. In the same way that Joe VO1NA can be copied under most > conditions in Europe. Likewise I dont think there is much activity at > interesting distances from Japan so they may not be able to raise > enthusiasm for LF/MF there. The path to Laurence in Alaska is perhaps their > best but even that is not easy. JA to EU is difficult too I think. Look at > what the LaReunion station did for activity in Europe :-)) > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Richard S > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Saturday, January 30, 2016 12:01 AM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: MF powerful Beacon in Poland? > > Thanks for you input Alan, > For me, the whole idea of such a beacon is to help take the hobby forward, > rather than re-inventing the wheel ! If such a beacon causes QRM then it is > counter productive. > > But with access to lots of tall buildings (50m is a minimum in Warsaw - > 100-150m+ is also possible !) I was wondering if we could put the concrete > jungle to good use (; > > 73s > Richard SO5GB > > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 12:13 AM, Alan Melia > wrote: > >> Hi Richard the thinking on permanent high erp beacons has for some long >> time on these narrow LF/MF bands is that they are not really needed now and >> if installed make receiving weak DX stations more difficult for others. My >> own thought is that you are in the wrong place.....too near the centre of >> activity. A beacon to be useful needs to be at the perifery of operation. I >> would venture that within Europe it has no real utility. Now a station like >> that making contacts on CW and other modes would be welcomed I am sure. >> >> 50m is still "low" for a dipole and the "T" configuration would work >> better at that height. >> >> Others may have different views :-)) >> Alan >> G3NYK >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Richard S >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2016 10:04 PM >> *Subject:* LF: MF powerful Beacon in Poland? >> >> Hi, >> If a chance arose for a powerful traditional MF beacon in Poland would it >> be of interest, or has WSPR done away with the need for traditional beacons? >> >> By powerful, it would be meant the full legal limit (1w!) into a half >> wave dipole mounted high above ground level (minimum 50m, but possibly in >> excess of 100m). >> >> Your thoughts gentlemen >> >> 73s >> Richard SO5GB >> >> > --001a113fc3ce2f1604052a8f757c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Alan, thanks for this tip. As it happens, P= oland seems to have a very good RF path to the East
. When I was N= DB DXing about 10 years ago it was a struggle to hear anything further West= than say Berlin, while North and East brought it excellent reception.
<= br>
Its food for thought!

73s Richard

On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 2:1= 2 AM, Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:<= br>
Richard It would be a shame not to use= those=20 facilities. The area that may be useful is in providing another station tha= t can=20 fairly regularly be copied in the USA and say Japan. That=C2=A0might encour= age=20 more onto the band in those areas. That would mean tailoring the transmit t= imes=20 to suit them and propagation. In the same way that Joe VO1NA can be copied = under=20 most conditions in Europe. Likewise I dont think there is much activity at= =20 interesting distances from Japan so they may not be able to raise enthusias= m for=20 LF/MF there. The path to Laurence in Alaska is perhaps their best but even = that=20 is not easy. JA to EU is difficult too I think. Look at what the LaReunion= =20 station did for activity in Europe :-))
=
=C2=A0
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Richard S
Sent:= Saturday, January 30, 2016 12:01=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: MF powerful Be= acon=20 in Poland?

Thanks for you input Alan,
For me, the whole idea of such a= =20 beacon is to help take the hobby forward, rather than re-inventing the wh= eel !=20 If such a beacon causes QRM then it is counter productive.

B= ut=20 with access to lots of tall buildings (50m is a minimum in Warsaw - 100-1= 50m+=20 is also possible !) I was wondering if we could put the concrete jungle t= o=20 good use (;

73s
Richard SO5GB



On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 12:13 AM, Alan Melia <= span dir=3D"ltr"><alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi Richard the thinking on permane= nt high erp=20 beacons has for some long time on these narrow LF/MF bands is that they= are=20 not really needed now and if installed make receiving weak DX stations = more=20 difficult for others. My own thought is that you are in the wrong=20 place.....too near the centre of activity. A beacon to be useful needs = to be=20 at the perifery of operation. I would venture that within Europe it has= no=20 real utility. Now a station like that making contacts on CW and other m= odes=20 would be welcomed I am sure.
=C2=A0
50m is still "low" for a= dipole and the "T"=20 configuration would work better at that height.
=C2=A0
Others may have different views=20 :-))
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard S
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 = 10:04=20 PM
Subject: LF: MF powerful Beacon= in=20 Poland?

Hi,
If a chance arose for a powerful traditional MF bea= con=20 in Poland would it be of interest, or has WSPR done away with the nee= d for=20 traditional beacons?

By powerful, it would be meant the full legal limit (1w!) into a= half=20 wave dipole mounted high above ground level (minimum 50m, but possibl= y in=20 excess of 100m).

Your thoughts gentlemen

73s
Richard=20 SO5GB


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