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Thread-Index: AQHRSxQAC8gLBSyGmk+AeYSL6uVtqZ700hHM///3KICAABTa1Q== Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 15:36:10 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444AD4C0@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444AD460@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be>,<8D319CF354F3AA6-530-5191A9@webmail-vd006.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8D319CF354F3AA6-530-5191A9@webmail-vd006.sysops.aol.com> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-GB, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.11.48] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.130 (rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Scan-Signature: d2a449809c9c1ff1983612d049372878 Subject: RE: LF: RE: JT9 actvity... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444AD4C0ICTSSMBX1lunaku_" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6253 --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444AD4C0ICTSSMBX1lunaku_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Markus, not everywhere! The outcome of WRC-12 was: "The maximum equivalent isotropically radiated power (e.i.r.p.) of stations= in the amateur service using frequencies in the band 472-479 kHz shall not= exceed 1 W. Administrations may increase this limit of e.i.r.p. to 5 W in = portions of their territory which are at a distance of over 800 km from the= borders of Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Belarus, China, Com= oros, Djibouti, Egypt, United Arab Emirates, the Russian Federation, Iran (= Islamic Republic of), Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mor= occo, Mauritania, Oman, Uzbekistan, Qatar, Syrian Arab Republic, Kyrgyzstan= , Somalia, Sudan, Tunisia, Ukraine and Yemen. In this frequency band, stati= ons in the amateur service shall not cause harmful interference to, or clai= m protection from, stations of the aeronautical radionavigation service." In Belgium the power limit is 5W EIRP (3 W ERP), I believe this is also the= case in the Netherland, UK and Ireland. But you are right about the saturation. With the right antenna (height) it = is easy to produce many 10's W ERP with a few 100W TX power. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Markus Vester [markusvester@aol.com] Verzonden: zondag 10 januari 2016 16:03 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: JT9 actvity... Note however that the power scale saturates at 1 W ERP, which is (by defini= tion) the largest power an amateur can possibly radiate on LF and MF ;-) Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=FCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Rik Strobbe An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 10 Jan 2016 3:42 pm Betreff: LF: RE: JT9 actvity... Hello Szigy, regarding the declared power level in WSPR: Most stations declare their ERP= , not PA output. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Szigy [yo2is@wa7v.ampr.org] Verzonden: zaterdag 9 januari 2016 20:22 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: JT9 actvity... From: YO2IS Hello from KN05ps, was pleased to take part in the 8 ian JT9 activity. Lot of signals received, propagation was similar to 2m Es ! very short openings from unexpected QTF's. Nice QSO with DG3LV in JO53, IZ7SLZ responded to my CQ he was a solid -23 then nil. Received again OR7T -27, we had a nice QSO a day before, also wkd DC1RJJ who responded to my CQ !!. CWNR, several times IW4DXW up to -24 and DF7FC -20 he often is reporting my WSPR-2 nil in JT9... My TVRT / IRF540 had only 20 W out into the 41m sloping wire. it seems that the IC-7000 is not as bad for reception on LF / MF. Surprised also by the WSPR-2 results, litle confused with the received signal levels versus de declared power dBm! are real ?... Enjoy the good winter conditions. 73 & DX, Szigy.=FF=FE?=FF=FE? --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444AD4C0ICTSSMBX1lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Markus,

 

not everywhere!

 

The outcome of WRC-12 was:

"The maximum equivalent isotropically radiated power (e.i.r.p.)= of stations in the amateur service using frequencies in the band 472-479 k= Hz shall not exceed 1 W. Administrations may increase this limit of e.i.r.p.= to 5 W in portions of their territory which are at a distance of over 800 = km from the borders of Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Belarus,= China, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, United Arab Emirates, the Russian Federation, Iran (Islamic Republic of), = Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Mauritania, Oman= , Uzbekistan, Qatar, Syrian Arab Republic, Kyrgyzstan, Somalia, Sudan, Tuni= sia, Ukraine and Yemen. In this frequency band, stations in the amateur service shall not cause harmf= ul interference to, or claim protection from, stations of the aeronautical = radionavigation service."

 

In Belgium the power limit is 5W EIRP (3 W ERP), I believe this is also = the case in the Netherland, UK and Ireland.

 

But you are right about the saturation. With the right antenna (height) = it is easy to produce many 10's W ERP with a few 100W TX power.

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Markus Vester [markusvester@aol.c= om]
Verzonden: zondag 10 januari 2016 16:03
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: JT9 actvity...

 
Note however that the power scale saturates at 1 W ERP, which is (by d= efinition) the largest power an amateur can possibly radiate on LF and MF ;= -)
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

 
-----Urspr=FCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: So, 10 Jan 2016 3:42 pm
Betreff: LF: RE: JT9 actvity... 
Hello Szigy, 


regarding the declared power level in WSPR: M=
ost stations declare their ERP, not  

PA output. 

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T 

 

________________________________________ 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]  

namens Szigy [yo2i=
s@wa7v.ampr.org] 

Verzonden: zaterdag 9 januari 2016 20:22 

Aan: rsgb=
_lf_group@blacksheep.org 

Onderwerp: LF: JT9 actvity... 

 


From: YO2IS 

 Hello from KN05ps, 

was pleased to take part in the 8 ian JT9 activity. 

 Lot of signals received, propagation was similar to 2m Es ! 

very short openings from unexpected QTF's. 

 Nice QSO with DG3LV in JO53, IZ7SLZ responded to my CQ he was 

a solid -23 then nil. Received again OR7T -27, we had a nice 

QSO a day before, also wkd DC1RJJ who responded to my CQ !!. 

 CWNR, several times IW4DXW up to -24 and DF7FC -20 he often is 

reporting my WSPR-2 nil in JT9... 

 My TVRT / IRF540 had only 20 W out into the 41m sloping wire. 

it seems that the IC-7000 is not as bad for reception on LF / MF. 

 Surprised also by the  WSPR-2 results, litle confused with the 

received signal levels versus de declared power dBm! are real ?... 

 Enjoy the good winter conditions. 

   73 & DX, Szigy.=FF=FE?=FF=FE?


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