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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090708020903000608000404" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6263 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090708020903000608000404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 25 watts EIRP allowed here in New Zealand, but that is because we are a long way from anywhere! 73 Con, ZL2AFP On 11/01/2016 4:36 a.m., Rik Strobbe wrote: > > Hi Markus, > > not everywhere! > > The outcome of WRC-12 was: > > "/The maximum equivalent isotropically radiated power (e.i.r.p.) of > stations in the amateur service using frequencies in the band 472-479 > kHz shall not exceed 1 W. Administrations may increase this limit of > e.i.r.p. to 5 W in portions of their territory which are at a distance > of over 800 km from the borders of Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, > Bahrain, Belarus, China, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, United Arab > Emirates, the Russian Federation, Iran (Islamic Republic of), Iraq, > Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Mauritania, Oman, > Uzbekistan, Qatar, Syrian Arab Republic, Kyrgyzstan, Somalia, Sudan, > Tunisia, Ukraine and Yemen. In this frequency band, stations in the > amateur service shall not cause harmful interference to, or claim > protection from, stations of the aeronautical radionavigation service./" > > In Belgium the power limit is 5W EIRP (3 W ERP), I believe this is > also the case in the Netherland, UK and Ireland. > > But you are right about the saturation. With the right antenna > (height) it is easy to produce many 10's W ERP with a few 100W TX power. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Markus Vester > [markusvester@aol.com] > *Verzonden:* zondag 10 januari 2016 16:03 > *Aan:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Onderwerp:* Re: LF: RE: JT9 actvity... > > Note however that the power scale saturates at 1 W ERP, which is (by > definition) the largest power an amateur can possibly radiate on LF > and MF ;-) > Best 73, > Markus (DF6NM) > > -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: Rik Strobbe > An: rsgb_lf_group > Verschickt: So, 10 Jan 2016 3:42 pm > Betreff: LF: RE: JT9 actvity... > Hello Szigy, > > regarding the declared power level in WSPR: Most stations declare their ERP, not > > PA output. > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > ________________________________________ > > Van:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > ] > > namens Szigy [yo2is@wa7v.ampr.org ] > > Verzonden: zaterdag 9 januari 2016 20:22 > > Aan:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Onderwerp: LF: JT9 actvity... > > > > From: YO2IS > > Hello from KN05ps, > > was pleased to take part in the 8 ian JT9 activity. > > Lot of signals received, propagation was similar to 2m Es ! > > very short openings from unexpected QTF's. > > Nice QSO with DG3LV in JO53, IZ7SLZ responded to my CQ he was > > a solid -23 then nil. Received again OR7T -27, we had a nice > > QSO a day before, also wkd DC1RJJ who responded to my CQ !!. > > CWNR, several times IW4DXW up to -24 and DF7FC -20 he often is > > reporting my WSPR-2 nil in JT9... > > My TVRT / IRF540 had only 20 W out into the 41m sloping wire. > > it seems that the IC-7000 is not as bad for reception on LF / MF. > > Surprised also by the WSPR-2 results, litle confused with the > > received signal levels versus de declared power dBm! are real ?... > > Enjoy the good winter conditions. > > 73 & DX, Szigy.˙ž?˙ž? > > > --------------090708020903000608000404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 25 watts EIRP allowed here in New Zealand, but that is because we are a long way from anywhere!

73
Con, ZL2AFP

On 11/01/2016 4:36 a.m., Rik Strobbe wrote:

Hi Markus,

 

not everywhere!

 

The outcome of WRC-12 was:

"The maximum equivalent isotropically radiated power (e.i.r.p.) of stations in the amateur service using frequencies in the band 472-479 kHz shall not exceed 1 W. Administrations may increase this limit of e.i.r.p. to 5 W in portions of their territory which are at a distance of over 800 km from the borders of Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Belarus, China, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, United Arab Emirates, the Russian Federation, Iran (Islamic Republic of), Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Mauritania, Oman, Uzbekistan, Qatar, Syrian Arab Republic, Kyrgyzstan, Somalia, Sudan, Tunisia, Ukraine and Yemen. In this frequency band, stations in the amateur service shall not cause harmful interference to, or claim protection from, stations of the aeronautical radionavigation service."

 

In Belgium the power limit is 5W EIRP (3 W ERP), I believe this is also the case in the Netherland, UK and Ireland.

 

But you are right about the saturation. With the right antenna (height) it is easy to produce many 10's W ERP with a few 100W TX power.

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Markus Vester [markusvester@aol.com]
Verzonden: zondag 10 januari 2016 16:03
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: JT9 actvity...

 
Note however that the power scale saturates at 1 W ERP, which is (by definition) the largest power an amateur can possibly radiate on LF and MF ;-)
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

 
-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: So, 10 Jan 2016 3:42 pm
Betreff: LF: RE: JT9 actvity... 
Hello Szigy, 


regarding the declared power level in WSPR: Most stations declare their ERP, not  

PA output. 

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T 

 

________________________________________ 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]  

namens Szigy [yo2is@wa7v.ampr.org] 

Verzonden: zaterdag 9 januari 2016 20:22 

Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 

Onderwerp: LF: JT9 actvity... 

 


From: YO2IS 

 Hello from KN05ps, 

was pleased to take part in the 8 ian JT9 activity. 

 Lot of signals received, propagation was similar to 2m Es ! 

very short openings from unexpected QTF's. 

 Nice QSO with DG3LV in JO53, IZ7SLZ responded to my CQ he was 

a solid -23 then nil. Received again OR7T -27, we had a nice 

QSO a day before, also wkd DC1RJJ who responded to my CQ !!. 

 CWNR, several times IW4DXW up to -24 and DF7FC -20 he often is 

reporting my WSPR-2 nil in JT9... 

 My TVRT / IRF540 had only 20 W out into the 41m sloping wire. 

it seems that the IC-7000 is not as bad for reception on LF / MF. 

 Surprised also by the  WSPR-2 results, litle confused with the 

received signal levels versus de declared power dBm! are real ?... 

 Enjoy the good winter conditions. 

   73 & DX, Szigy.˙ž?˙ž?



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