Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u04NFTLu005111 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 00:15:29 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1aGEI5-00012b-Q6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 23:11:53 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1aGEI5-00012J-8f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 23:11:53 +0000 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aGEH1-0007tt-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 23:11:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.12] ([87.149.130.33]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LsPwa-1a4yo24B3Y-01247X for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 00:10:31 +0100 References: <568A4048.4000001@vsas.de> <568A7620.7010506@gmx.de> <568ABD8B.7040402@vsas.de> From: Hartmut Wolff To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <568AFBE7.2070409@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 00:10:31 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <568ABD8B.7040402@vsas.de> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:9ME5WDmg/14iBK78pLxImzI5U33PajHvjs7HaUmQaYfq6uD2E1N 4Qmuk3TXzHO38EePdR/N/OL98HsAlAtL+LI4EkapgsfKk7V27Wgjyq1aR6lAGnP1RHvFg+s NJqOGFdm38FJ3IHIUZVV+InwHkbjXYGbEid4DCn4ANYG8QV5/5nXvIqQDPsTnNaS/iFpOrY kaSmHZCiW98/ptIAy44IQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:uKdaVM7Gry4=:vW8+KABxhSvibwr5ggzZ6G LFGwAZkLfWP/h3LLUz4T5OC+WqwUK5WKXVAoXNipfZnW1j8EvIwshp6Up7T1Mm30iuH1dYU+2 TXaRjpxF3IrmZLwFQ4VyV5taqpmIEdvGehcOO/CiFE2kTundQBaBHTUXOjFSao6ezbVJ6sszb 8z9AhPRq4Dh4oBSNsxiLjlU8XW/zrdjcLNrJJR/+o+Okv9kNsyRrFUHKjeqbehW/BmyxRmiYp wIHaHRL+Q9g9dLSIXgQK4tgWaF/tbMC8Unytui7kFWAZ2JEaDSJ/ANfU/GGulMUnQM3pCZWhq cMB3WYGhfe0WMMN3vQRwk6dVRYwu6r+e82Uk1W1DhtCfBs5zvDlkyGE4d7tB2CNia1SNfgDtO flHhqgP9iyuEhmvmHZSdqTl+qcVI71B3c8xgUzET13AoAVGDOsRvh5BSZ1iUhSKRSn7WPbvkH 0cmGGko2kip4afoCOEtOGaf0Q1xp0CgWb1BqmOyVsmpsUdaoHNdlIeAPlB8jMan5oCWWrL8Hl En8y5VRTdHKGIzdpXSZh2YhmP3DLgKy1Mvt81ssgstDfbSE61sNV3sY7fsG4B0pMR6eUj8wxA ULVRf725bbm0mxmth67ElC7IorvVrr6ehmESKQt46vpp6ExNRhckrqgJgU0gM6du5ayoPwnti gLB2rvhkbzogzbcAXNyvtsQP5b33LStIWiXM/grcPyV2OISB8lLNNtc26jgCAFfTECoOm4T0Q xl7KYY/HcN4D3DzUKuegWHPecFNSE6PoZT/dNuSJnZ2UOiM7zB9flEMDoyAXDMsbLwX+4Xnwp sbWX1zg X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: Re: LF: DL-SWL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6126 Am 2016-01-04 um 19:44 schrieb Vincent Stallbaum: > @Hartmut are you using the original dimensions like > http://www.pa1a.com/PA1A/Antennas/k9ay/K9AY_Loop_re.jpg ? Or is your > loop ab bit bigger? Vincent, my antenna is looking like this: http://jpmere.online.fr/L_F/Les%20LF.htm because it was designed for 74kHz and 137kHz. If you listening only on 630m adding a few meters wire to the original design may be enough. Important is you are hearing external noise and not the noise floor of the receiver. The antenna is only working with length of wire up to lambda/4. Which is important if you would like to use the antenna on 160m and 80m too. A tuned transmitting antenna close to the loop may destroy the pattern of the loop. 73 Hartmut