Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 104; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u0U1RL3v028340 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 02:27:21 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1aPKCA-0007P2-Bk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:19:22 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1aPKC9-0007Ot-Oc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:19:21 +0000 Received: from rgout02.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aPKB5-0004XB-K6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:19:20 +0000 X-OWM-Source-IP: 81.151.235.197 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A090202.56AC0F49.004E,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=39/50,refid=2.7.2:2016.1.28.120616:17:39.532,ip=81.151.235.197,rules=__HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, MSGID_32HEX_LC, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, __MSGID_32HEX, __HAS_FROM, __PHISH_FROM2, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __REFERENCES, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY, __CTYPE_MULTIPART, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __ANY_URI, __FRAUD_BODY_WEBMAIL, __URI_NO_WWW, __URI_NO_PATH, __FRAUD_MONEY_BIG_COIN_DIG, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, SUPERLONG_LINE, __HTML_AHREF_TAG, __HAS_HTML, HTML_NO_HTTP, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODYTEXTH_SIZE_10000_LESS, __MIME_HTML, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML, __RATWARE_SIGNATURE_3, __RATWARE_SIGNATURE_3_N1, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, __URI_NS, SXL_IP_DYNAMIC[197.235.151.81.fur], __FRAUD_MONEY_BIG_COIN, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, __PHISH_FROM, __OUTLOOK_MUA, RDNS_SUSP, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, REFERENCES, NO_URI_HTTPS X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown Received: from gnat (81.151.235.197) by rgout02.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (8.6.122.06) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 56A9E4BF00366190 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:17:54 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1454116688; bh=42GbGhjw6mpUsO5fIG+Eu6yftRmxADDSSSILrEQ1nuQ=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=lJH3bh+SC8J0nDevcbcQEavl8bl+5oQ/WheH8K44HK2lS4eps0Hmjbx+P6/mTGDafiuwG/60nYQtfP+H7oQ0MM5B4EnTtJtMoYilsTlfaq2dJTbeV8fJe/GjK97fq71q6Pv6HyUAzaccSK54aVPnUOAwobSTVn6IC16MqgR+ZfY= Message-ID: <1CE5E203E2CF4815BDAFB8E06D6C4541@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:12:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: 8ac9f0a1bced50a7ada6578ede3fb6ae Subject: Re: LF: Re: MF powerful Beacon in Poland? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E6_01D15AFB.41065440" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6552 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01D15AFB.41065440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Richard It would be a shame not to use those facilities. The area that = may be useful is in providing another station that can fairly regularly = be copied in the USA and say Japan. That might encourage more onto the = band in those areas. That would mean tailoring the transmit times to = suit them and propagation. In the same way that Joe VO1NA can be copied = under most conditions in Europe. Likewise I dont think there is much = activity at interesting distances from Japan so they may not be able to = raise enthusiasm for LF/MF there. The path to Laurence in Alaska is = perhaps their best but even that is not easy. JA to EU is difficult too = I think. Look at what the LaReunion station did for activity in Europe = :-)) Alan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard S=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 12:01 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: MF powerful Beacon in Poland? Thanks for you input Alan, For me, the whole idea of such a beacon is to help take the hobby = forward, rather than re-inventing the wheel ! If such a beacon causes = QRM then it is counter productive. But with access to lots of tall buildings (50m is a minimum in Warsaw = - 100-150m+ is also possible !) I was wondering if we could put the = concrete jungle to good use (;=20 73s Richard SO5GB On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 12:13 AM, Alan Melia = wrote: Hi Richard the thinking on permanent high erp beacons has for some = long time on these narrow LF/MF bands is that they are not really needed = now and if installed make receiving weak DX stations more difficult for = others. My own thought is that you are in the wrong place.....too near = the centre of activity. A beacon to be useful needs to be at the = perifery of operation. I would venture that within Europe it has no real = utility. Now a station like that making contacts on CW and other modes = would be welcomed I am sure. 50m is still "low" for a dipole and the "T" configuration would work = better at that height. Others may have different views :-)) Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard S=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:04 PM Subject: LF: MF powerful Beacon in Poland? Hi, If a chance arose for a powerful traditional MF beacon in Poland = would it be of interest, or has WSPR done away with the need for = traditional beacons? By powerful, it would be meant the full legal limit (1w!) into a = half wave dipole mounted high above ground level (minimum 50m, but = possibly in excess of 100m). Your thoughts gentlemen 73s Richard SO5GB ------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01D15AFB.41065440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Richard It would be a shame not to use = those=20 facilities. The area that may be useful is in providing another station = that can=20 fairly regularly be copied in the USA and say Japan. That might = encourage=20 more onto the band in those areas. That would mean tailoring the = transmit times=20 to suit them and propagation. In the same way that Joe VO1NA can be = copied under=20 most conditions in Europe. Likewise I dont think there is much activity = at=20 interesting distances from Japan so they may not be able to raise = enthusiasm for=20 LF/MF there. The path to Laurence in Alaska is perhaps their best but = even that=20 is not easy. JA to EU is difficult too I think. Look at what the = LaReunion=20 station did for activity in Europe :-))
 
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Richard S
Sent: Saturday, January 30, = 2016 12:01=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: MF = powerful Beacon=20 in Poland?

Thanks for you input Alan,
For me, the whole idea of = such a=20 beacon is to help take the hobby forward, rather than re-inventing the = wheel !=20 If such a beacon causes QRM then it is counter = productive.

But=20 with access to lots of tall buildings (50m is a minimum in Warsaw - = 100-150m+=20 is also possible !) I was wondering if we could put the concrete = jungle to=20 good use (;

73s
Richard SO5GB



On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 12:13 AM, Alan Melia = <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi Richard the thinking on = permanent high erp=20 beacons has for some long time on these narrow LF/MF bands is that = they are=20 not really needed now and if installed make receiving weak DX = stations more=20 difficult for others. My own thought is that you are in the wrong=20 place.....too near the centre of activity. A beacon to be useful = needs to be=20 at the perifery of operation. I would venture that within Europe it = has no=20 real utility. Now a station like that making contacts on CW and = other modes=20 would be welcomed I am sure.
 
50m is still "low" for a dipole and = the "T"=20 configuration would work better at that height.
 
Others may have different views=20 :-))
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message ----- =
From: = Richard S
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Friday, January 29, = 2016 10:04=20 PM
Subject: LF: MF powerful = Beacon in=20 Poland?

Hi,
If a chance arose for a powerful traditional MF = beacon=20 in Poland would it be of interest, or has WSPR done away with the = need for=20 traditional beacons?

By powerful, it would be meant the full legal limit (1w!) = into a half=20 wave dipole mounted high above ground level (minimum 50m, but = possibly in=20 excess of 100m).

Your thoughts gentlemen

73s
Richard=20 = SO5GB

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