Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1170; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u099av06032697 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2016 10:36:57 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1aHptm-00065d-GL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 09:33:26 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1aHptl-00065M-VV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 09:33:25 +0000 Received: from omr-m007e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aHpsW-0007yj-T9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 09:33:24 +0000 Received: from mtaomg-aam02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aam02.mx.aol.com [172.27.19.148]) by omr-m007e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 25B373800127 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2016 04:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mqb05c.mail.aol.com (core-mqb05.mail.aol.com [172.27.61.15]) by mtaomg-aam02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id F023A38000082 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2016 04:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from 91.84.75.83 by webprd-m58.mail.aol.com (10.74.51.137) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 09 Jan 2016 04:31:51 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 04:31:51 -0500 From: gw8glo@aol.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15225ba4abd-5919-6053@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [91.84.75.83] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.co.uk; s=20150623; t=1452331912; bh=UrR0QR7QxrIo68FRG1w3XS4bZlkL1e7iF3yluJhmKzE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FsxKFc8IP5Q5yCvXDe1DRLWOnwxSt8dQTNXhH1juNEI9f/KhGgnuw5057xn8aqg4e 1W1Uc8ofESJYmVic5scitIaqA8xfQ7Fu9fELT45h3g5oa8cWM0FApuOF6H/a80CEXV mga0vuYXn41qU4yOgc/DzsT9f56xP6BN65vBIh2g= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b13945690d38758af X-Scan-Signature: b45446db24846e84db90eb694609e205 Subject: Re: LF: Linear Amp for LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_31454_445468934.1452331911867" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6227 ------=_Part_31454_445468934.1452331911867 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andy I have used an ENI amp, the 1140L. These work well at 136 with up to 1.5kw on my amp. They are very inefficient as would be expected. They are also very expensive unless you are lucky, mine came from a 50kw tx and was the grid drive amp! I have benn able to transmit Opera WSPR and PSK31 at the same time using this amp with no problems. Mine needs a 110v supply and is not isolated so I use a 5 kw transformer to do the job. 73 Dave -----Original Message----- From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group ; rsgb_lf_group Sent: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 21:48 Subject: LF: Linear Amp for LF Are there any proven reliably designed LF amplifier designs power amplifiers for 137 / 475? Wideband, covering both ideally Rated for at least 300 Watts output, and ideally a lot more. I saw G3YXM's low-HF design, and it looks promising for low frequency use, but he appears to have not gone that way and went for a switchmode version at LF/MF Of course, I could just redesign that, or something similar, using suitable ferrite and a bit of feedback ,but it would be nice to avoid reinventing too many wheels. Using switching MOSFETs as linear amps still doesn't feel quite right, but enough people seem have managed it now (including my own design for a low power one) that it looks a sound-enough route to follow up. The one thing that does bother me about the technique is bias compensation with temperature. It is really asking for active bias control, but in a class-B or -AB design, where bias just affects standing current, that gets more-than a bit tricky as a concept. Andy G4JNT ------=_Part_31454_445468934.1452331911867 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andy I have used an ENI amp, the 1140L. These work well at 136 with up to 1.5kw on my amp. They are very inefficient as would be expected. They are also very expensive unless you are lucky, mine came from a 50kw tx and was the grid drive amp! I have benn able to transmit Opera WSPR and PSK31 at the same time using this amp with no problems. Mine needs a 110v supply and is not isolated so I use a 5 kw transformer to do the job.
73 Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@gmail.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk>
Sent: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 21:48
Subject: LF: Linear Amp for LF

Are there any proven reliably designed LF amplifier designs power amplifiers  for 137 / 475?   Wideband, covering both ideally    Rated for at least 300 Watts output, and ideally a lot more.

I saw G3YXM's low-HF design, and it looks promising for low frequency use, but he appears to have not gone that way and went for a switchmode version at LF/MF

Of course, I could just redesign that, or something similar, using suitable ferrite and a bit of feedback ,but it would be nice to avoid reinventing too many wheels.

Using switching MOSFETs as linear amps still doesn't feel quite right, but enough people seem have managed it now (including my own design for a low power one) that it looks a sound-enough route to follow up.    The one thing that does bother me about the technique is bias compensation with temperature.   It is really asking for active bias control, but in a class-B or -AB design, where bias just affects standing current, that gets more-than a bit tricky as a concept.

Andy  G4JNT
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