Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1102; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tBOLgF7l009796 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:42:15 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1aCDb9-0005BW-HQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 21:38:59 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1aCDb9-0005BN-59 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 21:38:59 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aCDaC-0004ED-6P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 21:38:58 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2ADAwDTZHxWPKyNH1wNURkBAQIPAQEBAYI+gR5tiFm2XwcYAQmFbQIlgUUBAQEBAQEHAQEBAUABNIQ/AQEBAQIBI0oHCgcECxEEAQEBKgICISIMCAYTGYgBAwoWrgRxhViICQsCg3UBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEUBIhlgnCCT4FrGwkmgjU6ExyBGwWGHQyBN4Nai0yEWIZ+BpBrgzeDKodahG9yAYVKAQEB X-IPAS-Result: A2ADAwDTZHxWPKyNH1wNURkBAQIPAQEBAYI+gR5tiFm2XwcYAQmFbQIlgUUBAQEBAQEHAQEBAUABNIQ/AQEBAQIBI0oHCgcECxEEAQEBKgICISIMCAYTGYgBAwoWrgRxhViICQsCg3UBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEUBIhlgnCCT4FrGwkmgjU6ExyBGwWGHQyBN4Nai0yEWIZ+BpBrgzeDKodahG9yAYVKAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,475,1444690800"; d="scan'208,217";a="821843926" Received: from host-92-31-141-172.as13285.net (HELO [192.168.1.4]) ([92.31.141.172]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 24 Dec 2015 21:37:47 +0000 References: <799769930.5217590.1450983130566.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: Mal Hamilton X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B500) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 21:37:47 +0000 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Scan-Signature: 9be7bcf37980c7e1f7256b45328d3ffd Subject: Re: LF: Re: digi es CW Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-D84A79AA-B3F5-4584-BA3B-698980588690 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5965 --Apple-Mail-D84A79AA-B3F5-4584-BA3B-698980588690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Appliance operators never heard I never mind Q=20 Only know about sealed black boxes=20 When the Big Bang happens I/Q will not help much=20 CW, wire and a cycle dynamo will do the trick Get learning CW and collect some radio valves Sent from my iPhone On 24 Dec 2015, at 21:11, Andy Talbot wrote: > Well, I for one would generate them as an I/Q baseband stream and upconver= t using a quadrature converter. Just as every modern piece of radio communi= ncations equipment does. >=20 > No expensive narrow band filters or IF stages. >=20 > 'jnt >=20 >=20 > On 24 December 2015 at 20:40, Graham wrote: >> Now Now , If there was no SSB tx/rx, how could you hope to send all = those strange linear phase continuous multi frequency data systems ? >> =20 >> G,) >> =20 >> =20 >>=20 >> From: Andy Talbot >> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 7:15 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: digi es CW >>=20 >> SSB and especially CW - just tooooo boring for those not yet retired >> Killing amateur radio >> Where are the youngsters >> Embrace the 20th century now we're in the 21st >>=20 >> Andy / G4JNT >>=20 >>=20 >> On 24 December 2015 at 18:52, David Hine wrote: >>> Digital -the death of ham radio -boring!! -no proper research as the '= feel' of real radio is lost -may as well go on Skype or Facebook!! >>> Merry Christmas, Dave >>> =20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> From: Fausto Coletti >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 >>> Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2015, 17:07 >>> Subject: LF: Re: digi es CW >>>=20 >>> Never, never, never...rather I become friar and I go to a cloistered con= vent ! >>> And for delight of those who use only the digital mode, this is the powe= r supply of my HF PA. >>> =20 >>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4tkndywd9v38dld/foto.JPG?dl=3D0=20 >>> =20 >>> Merry Christmas to all analog or digital ham :-)) >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: mal hamilton >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 4:42 PM >>> Subject: LF: digi es CW >>>=20 >>> DIGI MODES >>> Fall asleep over the keyboard >>> Go for Xmas Dinner >>> Go down the pub and get drunk >>> Sleep for a week >>> And >>> the rig still Belches out wspr or opera and is seen world wide, no rush b= ack for results. >>> =20 >>> CW MODE >>> Fall asleep over the PA running 2 x 4CX 1500 tubes >>> A flash and a bang >>> Operator is Zapped and reduced to vapour >>> Signal never left the shack, no result >>> Operator SK SK >>> =20 >>> You can see why DATA MODES are preferred, there is no option if the oper= ator of today wants to remain alive and is not in a hurry for results >>> =20 >>> Operators of today are sluggish and move in jerks sort of robotic and ar= e more suited to chips and not daring like those of yesteryears that wo= uld glare at 200 Watt filaments with 10 Kilovolts on the anode and had t= o move fast to avoid a SK SK situation >>> =20 >>> I expect some old timers are also getting sluggish and moving towards Di= gital, the easy life which also prolongs the pension. >>> =20 >>> Merry Xmas and avoid Danger------think Digital >>> =20 >>> de G3KEV >=20 --Apple-Mail-D84A79AA-B3F5-4584-BA3B-698980588690 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Appliance operators never heard I neve= r mind Q 
Only know about sealed black boxes 
= When the Big Bang happens I/Q will not help much 
CW, wire an= d a cycle dynamo will do the trick
Get learning CW and collect som= e radio valves


Sent from my iPhone

On 24 Dec= 2015, at 21:11, Andy Talbot <and= y.g4jnt@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, I for one would generate them as an I/Q baseband str= eam and upconvert using a quadrature converter.  Just as every modern p= iece of radio communincations equipment does.

No expensiv= e narrow band filters or IF stages.

'jnt
=

On= 24 December 2015 at 20:40, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
Now Now , If there  was no SSB  tx/rx, how  could you ho= pe=20 to  send  all  those  strange linear  phase=20= continuous  multi frequency data systems ?
 
G,)
 
 

Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: digi es CW

SSB and especially CW - just tooooo boring for those not ye= t=20 retired=20
Killing amateur radio
Where are the youngsters
Embrace the 20th century now we're in the 21st

Andy / G4JNT


On 24 December 2015 at 18:52, David Hine <eva= d_hine@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Digital -the death of ham radio -boring!! -no proper research as= the=20 'feel' of real radio is lost -may as well go on Skype or Facebook!!
Merry Christmas, Dave
 



Never, never= , never...rather=20 I become friar and I=20 go to a cloistered convent !=20
= And=20 for delight of those who use only the=20 digital mode, this is=20= the power supply of my HF PA.=20
&nb= sp;
 
Merry Christmas to a= ll analog=20 or digital ham  :-))
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 mal hamilton
Sent:=20 Thursday, December 24, 2015 4:42 PM
Subject:=20 LF: digi es CW

DIGI MODES
Fall asleep over the keyboard
Go for Xmas Dinner
Go down the pub and get drunk
Sleep for a week
And
the rig still Belches out wspr or opera and is see= n world=20 wide, no rush back for results.
 
CW MODE
Fall asleep over the PA running 2 x 4CX 1500 tubes= =20
A flash and a bang
Operator is Zapped and reduced to vapour
Signal never left the shack, no result
Operator SK SK
 
You can see why DATA MODES are preferred, there is= no=20 option if the operator of today wants to remain alive and is not in a hu= rry=20 for results
 
Operators of today are sluggish and move in jerks s= ort of=20 robotic and are more suited to chips and not daring like those of=20 yesteryears that would glare at 200 Watt filaments with 10 Kilovolts on t= he=20 anode and had to move fast to avoid a SK SK situation
 
I expect some old timers are also getting sluggish= and=20 moving towards Digital, the easy life which also prolongs the=20 pension.
 
Merry Xmas and avoid Danger------think=20 Digital
 
de G3KEV
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




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