Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tBKMPKHQ020877 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 23:25:21 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1aAmN0-0001X8-Rl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:22:26 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1aAmN0-0001Wz-IQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:22:26 +0000 Received: from mail-ob0-f196.google.com ([209.85.214.196]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aAmLw-0007Fv-St for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:22:25 +0000 Received: by mail-ob0-f196.google.com with SMTP id q2so799815obl.1 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:21:06 -0800 (PST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mfBbYFAJ7khFSK8zwZqQd4DZadiCMDbDP65MZai9Bg4=; b=S/eK2qdpAlnlfVvoWbeL6pTEjff91el5IT7mdynp37N09wDbIEu+LtafIgHxIP89B6 R02YOHt79+xflqERol/XNparK86Y83OwUaucJ3JYiTodgUQtfacnrGOzGCUNjYTUooDL 6XFtBPkkBY5X30vpdOf5vKl9rNznBLeT3nCJAMt5coIZv1SxfsgXCF55uK05Co1d8xae zYR9J1BtnMm1+y1azx33FWDVBDS/ijzqZrKYLIPdQaW199xF/yCj27HtE/lQbAgzMbJp OxE1YSz7e7lnMqZSDKu1iXr3x2WSNg1pSBjsuNxj5nSc5GCv6lVpUXo5gbFhUc3p3Xbm /YYQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.19.234 with SMTP id i10mr5927729obe.67.1450650064007; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:21:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.180.2 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:21:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8D30934359654D8-15C4-3DDFF4@webmail-vm170.sysops.aol.com> <0EF07ED4EE1B45BDBB86B44B855B03BF@gnat> <68629D3DB5E840F098999D75247C9777@gnat> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 09:21:03 +1100 Message-ID: From: Dimitrios Tsifakis To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: Re: LF: VLF in VO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5863 Hi Joe, thanks for sharing your experiment details. I have been doing similar tests on VLF, using about 120 m of wire, about 10 m of the ground. I have used initially much less power, so signals disappear after a kilometre or so. The attenuation over distance does seem to be a lot more pronounced than you would expect and I think this has to do with the fact that at a kilometre or so distance from the transmitter, we are still in the near field of the antenna! This paper has some more explanation and a graph of field strength versus distance (in lambda): http://robotics.eecs.berkeley.edu/~pister/290Q/Papers/Antennas%20propagation%20interference/near%20field%20path%20loss.pdf Anyway, how did you go about the 5:1 impedance transformation? I was trying to radiate at about 10 kHz, so I used a beefy audio line transformer (100V to 4 ohm/8ohm), but I am not sure how efficient this is. 73, Dimitris VK2COW/VK1SV 2015-12-21 6:46 GMT+11:00 : > It was a nice but windy day today so the VLF TX was put on the air > for a quick test. About 30 watts were fed to a 5:1 XFMR and a ~0.35H > tuning coil to the 100m wire at 10m height. CW signals were heard > clearly at 2 km using a homebuilt DC RX and a PA0RDT miniwhip at 2 km. > The sigs could not be heard on the DC RX at 2.7 km and were much weaker > on the XH100/LF10 with 20m of wire strewn in the trees. This is > a new distance record for me for audible reception at 8.277 kHz. The > ERP was about 3uW. > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > >