Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1102; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tBOLGJwC009766 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:16:19 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1aCDCG-0004jo-Vo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 21:13:16 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1aCDCG-0004jf-JZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 21:13:16 +0000 Received: from mail-wm0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aCDBD-000475-Hb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 21:13:15 +0000 Received: by mail-wm0-f49.google.com with SMTP id p187so192488156wmp.0 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 13:11:56 -0800 (PST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=S0Rbt5uC3oKGmgEU+VC7RhR20foFOLzEtROfrzAz76k=; b=VPEYthI07lT7NhQoxk4wdKtFD5eyHAcLw4bWt8x7x7fxieQ8HVZWz2eDYazwhbf0qo 1PNDAGHlne48IipRUGft4h9i3TBFBK3+ZcxUnxDu6cY7XLcdTYQL1YjCgw556yfnVzkp uDnnAdFENp4Py/x542RYwNEsRhn9nGyzl8BIKZYX+i5JY75FPM5vEVxWqdkEc2TudEzU cpUfPfWMjv1Rp2BMS9QutP+cnv4jFAPeymuBb4ny2q9ySxRrKQrpZb2sWw5BUF/WmqtJ qDIF4RLYtw3Vw8uX9nyLMElFxu91vNKoxX8wLwsV5XRsrc9bhUXDh2LCiTKpF6fXQuDZ 9jdg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.87.170 with SMTP id az10mr41189184wjb.144.1450991515608; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 13:11:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.28.150.6 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 13:11:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <799769930.5217590.1450983130566.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 21:11:55 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: 8c16534bff9e7be1d3e99d60b0efbf3e Subject: Re: LF: Re: digi es CW Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e010d867cdc30300527ab496c X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5962 --089e010d867cdc30300527ab496c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Well, I for one would generate them as an I/Q baseband stream and upconvert using a quadrature converter. Just as every modern piece of radio communincations equipment does. No expensive narrow band filters or IF stages. 'jnt On 24 December 2015 at 20:40, Graham wrote: > Now Now , If there was no SSB tx/rx, how could you hope to send all > those strange linear phase continuous multi frequency data systems ? > > G,) > > > > *From:* Andy Talbot > *Sent:* Thursday, December 24, 2015 7:15 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: digi es CW > > SSB and especially CW - just tooooo boring for those not yet retired > Killing amateur radio > Where are the youngsters > Embrace the 20th century now we're in the 21st > > Andy / G4JNT > > > On 24 December 2015 at 18:52, David Hine wrote: > >> Digital -the death of ham radio -boring!! -no proper research as the >> 'feel' of real radio is lost -may as well go on Skype or Facebook!! >> Merry Christmas, Dave >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Fausto Coletti >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Thursday, 24 December 2015, 17:07 >> *Subject:* LF: Re: digi es CW >> >> Never, never, never...rather I become friar and I go to a cloistered >> convent ! >> And for delight of those who use only the digital mode, this is the power >> supply of my HF PA. >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4tkndywd9v38dld/foto.JPG?dl=0 >> >> Merry Christmas to all analog or digital ham :-)) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* mal hamilton >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 24, 2015 4:42 PM >> *Subject:* LF: digi es CW >> >> DIGI MODES >> Fall asleep over the keyboard >> Go for Xmas Dinner >> Go down the pub and get drunk >> Sleep for a week >> And >> the rig still Belches out wspr or opera and is seen world wide, no rush >> back for results. >> >> CW MODE >> Fall asleep over the PA running 2 x 4CX 1500 tubes >> A flash and a bang >> Operator is Zapped and reduced to vapour >> Signal never left the shack, no result >> Operator SK SK >> >> You can see why DATA MODES are preferred, there is no option if the >> operator of today wants to remain alive and is not in a hurry for results >> >> Operators of today are sluggish and move in jerks sort of robotic and are >> more suited to chips and not daring like those of yesteryears that would >> glare at 200 Watt filaments with 10 Kilovolts on the anode and had to move >> fast to avoid a SK SK situation >> >> I expect some old timers are also getting sluggish and moving towards >> Digital, the easy life which also prolongs the pension. >> >> Merry Xmas and avoid Danger------think Digital >> >> de G3KEV >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --089e010d867cdc30300527ab496c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, I for one would generate them as an I/Q baseband str= eam and upconvert using a quadrature converter.=C2=A0 Just as every modern = piece of radio communincations equipment does.

No expens= ive narrow band filters or IF stages.

'jnt


On 24 December 2015 at 20:40, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk<= /a>> wrote:
Now Now , If there=C2=A0 was no SSB=C2=A0 tx/rx, how=C2=A0 could you h= ope=20 to=C2=A0 send=C2=A0 all=C2=A0 those=C2=A0 strange=C2=A0linear =C2=A0phase= =20 continuous=C2=A0 multi frequency data systems ?
=C2=A0
G,)
=C2=A0
=C2=A0

SSB and especially CW - just tooooo boring for those not y= et=20 retired=20
Killing amateur radio
Where are the youngsters
Embrace the 20th century now we're in the 21st

Andy / G4JNT


On 24 December 2015 at 18:52, David Hine <e= vad_hine@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Digital -the death of ham radio -boring!! -no=C2=A0proper research a= s the=20 'feel' of real radio is lost=C2=A0-may as well go on Skype or Fac= ebook!!
Merry Christmas, Dave
=C2=A0


From: Fausto Coletti <<= a href=3D"mailto:ik4nmf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">ik4nmf@gmail.com&g= t;
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g
Sent: Thursday, 24= December 2015,=20 17:07
Subject: LF: Re: = digi=20 es CW

Never,=C2=A0never, never...rather=20 I become=C2=A0friar and I=20 go to a cloistered convent !=20
And=20 for delight of those who use only the=20 digital mode, this is= =20 the power supply of my HF PA.=20
= =C2=A0
=C2=A0
Merry Christmas=C2=A0to= all analog=20 or digital ham =C2=A0:-))
From:=20 mal hamilton
rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org
DIGI MODES
Fall asleep over the keyboard
Go for Xmas Dinner
Go down the pub and get drunk
Sleep for a week
And
the rig still Belches out wspr or opera and is se= en world=20 wide, no rush back for results.
=C2=A0
CW MODE
Fall asleep over the PA running 2 x 4CX 1500 tube= s=20
A flash and a bang
Operator is Zapped and reduced to vapour <= /div>
Signal never left the shack, no result
Operator SK SK
=C2=A0
You can see why DATA MODES are preferred, there i= s no=20 option if the operator of today wants to remain alive and is not in a h= urry=20 for results
=C2=A0
Operators of today are sluggish and move in jerks= sort of=20 robotic and are more suited to chips and not daring like those of=20 yesteryears that would glare at 200 Watt filaments with 10 Kilovolts on= the=20 anode and had to move fast to avoid a SK SK situation
=C2=A0
I expect some old timers are also getting sluggis= h and=20 moving towards Digital, the easy life which also prolongs the=20 pension.
=C2=A0
Merry Xmas and avoid Danger------think=20 Digital
=C2=A0
de G3KEV
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
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