Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tB3LBb43008578 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 22:11:37 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1a4b7E-0007VZ-4G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 21:08:36 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1a4b7D-0007VQ-Re for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 21:08:35 +0000 Received: from mail-wm0-f44.google.com ([74.125.82.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1a4b64-0005R5-MX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 21:08:34 +0000 Received: by wmww144 with SMTP id w144so38042580wmw.1 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 13:07:09 -0800 (PST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SwL/G2yDHd9gSZdMhptDvJgGJ5Yej/Dd4pGPvRBbN+M=; b=NcuYsr+XKnHoJU4kHKOACvXBGQF6k/qCWaipV43psTswReWFc++JCoNgnABc58zEDP DCG+D3r+UKfjyIA0jESQI8IdyzCbti9haaqbuML7vNu8LQrCRiJ6PbHKVzRWnGHbL+8L yEDYkljuoTX83hd1yeejJo8KI6YZXkTLCGHt8vi4XzG+HSXatwoj5+8NZzrx0rgnx1+f +OAcvdhGfDeIWUkcM870JciGU9/lio/T8BIzD0x5OwV+A8QtqtQn7vx9iUeDS6NJAGeP v71NU1ADFcUHcoqjd78qpO2pUIKO4sdPGPnutjL0SmIbmHGAGU3T+kd4G6SJUoHNPKOv LcMQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.28.15.194 with SMTP id 185mr806459wmp.9.1449176829377; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 13:07:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.28.130.139 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:07:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5660AC9E.4090109@virginbroadband.com.au> References: <8D2FA5F73070DF3-164C-1B0DC6@webmail-vm091.sysops.aol.com> <8D2FB0E41DBD77B-1DC0-A28C5@webmail-vd012.sysops.aol.com> <565F09BB.6090709@abelian.org> <565F692A.4080401@abelian.org> <566004DB.7000309@virginbroadband.com.au> <5660AC9E.4090109@virginbroadband.com.au> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 21:07:09 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: 739d4fb39bd02fc5a2de5437a39bb056 Subject: Re: LF: EbNaut 137.777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5532 You have no control over the phase of the reference - only the frequency. GPS derived PPS signals, these days, are typically within a few tens or 100ns. This is still a complete cycle of 10MHz so you can't rely on that to sync its phase either. Also, as soon as you lock any other frequency to a reference, except for direct multiplication of it, you lose the phase relationship. Phase is one parameter that is meaningless on its own, and cannot be transferred. You can only refer to teh phase of a signal when compared to another local reference. (In the case of I/Q signal channels, that reference is DC) Andy On 3 December 2015 at 20:57, edgar wrote: > Hi Paul and Andy, > > My question on the use of GPSDO for EbNaut was to improve my limited > understanding of the equipment required. > > It was not intended to directly compare Rubidium Oscillators vrs GPSDO. > > I had considered that a GPSDO had the advantage of providing a PPS. > > Also the frequency, and possibly the phase of the reference signal, would be > known and be similar at both locations. > > Thank you for your feed back. > > Regards, Edgar > Moonah, Tasmania.