Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tB608chT020814 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 01:08:38 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1a5MpN-0000n2-WC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 00:05:21 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1a5MpN-0000mt-Kb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 00:05:21 +0000 Received: from blu004-omc1s17.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.28]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1a5MoJ-0006sO-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 00:05:20 +0000 Received: from BLU403-EAS109 ([65.55.116.7]) by BLU004-OMC1S17.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Sat, 5 Dec 2015 16:04:01 -0800 X-TMN: [t+P34NVJkZ3ylHhDl2G4RcbdAfrTjIwN] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: Laurence KL7 L MIME-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 15:03:59 -0900 References: <5662D3A1.7010108@lineone.net> <3E4DD4EAD220477DAA212DB7F977C9A2@malPC> <67C40807-1A8F-4A44-B5EA-077CF1BCB3F7@talktalk.net> To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <67C40807-1A8F-4A44-B5EA-077CF1BCB3F7@talktalk.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2015 00:04:01.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C9EC0C0:01D12FB9] X-Scan-Signature: d63ea50e288c5ecb9bd7a86eeabe94f2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-11983535-2C4C-40B6-BD59-4D9E7A50462E" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: LF: wet match sticks X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5596 --Apple-Mail-11983535-2C4C-40B6-BD59-4D9E7A50462E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Not at my QTH" - quite Mal 73 > On Dec 5, 2015, at 14:43, Mal Hamilton wrote: >=20 > Laurence > Joy sticks are no substitute for the real thing > Not at my QTH anyway, no noise around me so plenty of wire airborne works f= or me. > I am able to hear and see more than the others. It does require effort tho= ugh. > Very little DX escapes me > 73 es GL > Mal/g3kev >=20 >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 >> On 5 Dec 2015, at 22:21, Laurence KL7 L w= rote: >>=20 >> Actually Mal some of the rx dx records both on LF and MF have been with p= seudo high Z Joysticks a la Wet Match Sticks. I see recall the Joysticks PW= adverts for them for HF! >>=20 >> My best performers here are W1VD AMRAD/L400b/PA0RDT nest of Eprobes up v= arious trees both of MF/LF but as ever very much location and noise source d= ependent, which together with having the real estate available... not so muc= h here.... I cant go up above tree height cos I would hit landing aircraft, o= r more likely they will hit me... >>=20 >> My near quarter wave for 475 inverted L typically (typically cos it varie= s on wave angle and noise source type/bearing at the time) doesnt afford bet= ter s/n over a well placed wet match stick most of the time, nor is the 10ft= 30T passive loop nor 10ft diam active loop better - hey my ground resistivi= ty/perm is dang poor here sitting on glacial till.. >>=20 >> Looking forward to the day on seeing you coming in over the Pole Mal. Yo= uve not managed to hit here in LF/ 475 MF yet but know you had a good signal= here on 160; Its not been favorable so far this winter... >>=20 >> Best 73 for the season >> Laurence KL7L >>=20 >> > From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net >> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 18:16:40 +0000 >> > Subject: Re: LF: Variation in my Rx signal reports on LF >> >=20 >> > Hugh >> > For acceptable results you need a REAL antenna. I notice that antennas i= n=20 >> > use in the UK are useless for weak signal reception. Only one stn in th= e UK=20 >> > can decode my signal. >> > For MF using the proverbial joy stick antennas are like using a match s= tick=20 >> > dipped in water >> > mal/g3kev >> >=20 --Apple-Mail-11983535-2C4C-40B6-BD59-4D9E7A50462E Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PGh0bWw+PGhlYWQ+PG1ldGEgaHR0cC1lcXVpdj0iY29udGVudC10eXBlIiBjb250ZW50PSJ0ZXh0 L2h0bWw7IGNoYXJzZXQ9dXRmLTgiPjwvaGVhZD48Ym9keSBkaXI9ImF1dG8iPjxkaXY+Ik5vdCBh dCBteSBRVEgiIC0gcXVpdGUgTWFsPC9kaXY+PGRpdj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PGRpdj43Mzxicj48YnI+ PGJyPjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+PGJyPk9uIERlYyA1LCAyMDE1LCBhdCAxNDo0MywgTWFsIEhhbWlsdG9u ICZsdDs8YSBocmVmPSJtYWlsdG86ZzNrZXZtYWxAdGFsa3RhbGsubmV0Ij5nM2tldm1hbEB0YWxr dGFsay5uZXQ8L2E+Jmd0OyB3cm90ZTo8YnI+PGJyPjwvZGl2PjxibG9ja3F1b3RlIHR5cGU9ImNp dGUiPjxkaXY+PG1ldGEgaHR0cC1lcXVpdj0iY29udGVudC10eXBlIiBjb250ZW50PSJ0ZXh0L2h0 bWw7IGNoYXJzZXQ9dXRmLTgiPjxkaXY+TGF1cmVuY2U8L2Rpdj48ZGl2PkpveSBzdGlja3MgYXJl IG5vIHN1YnN0aXR1dGUgZm9yIHRoZSByZWFsIHRoaW5nPC9kaXY+PGRpdj5Ob3QgYXQgbXkgUVRI IGFueXdheSwgbm8gbm9pc2UgYXJvdW5kIG1lIHNvIHBsZW50eSBvZiB3aXJlIGFpcmJvcm5lIHdv cmtzIGZvciBtZS48L2Rpdj48ZGl2PkkgYW0gYWJsZSB0byBoZWFyIGFuZCBzZWUgbW9yZSB0aGFu IHRoZSBvdGhlcnMuIEl0IGRvZXMgcmVxdWlyZSBlZmZvcnQgdGhvdWdoLjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+VmVy eSBsaXR0bGUgRFggZXNjYXBlcyBtZTwvZGl2PjxkaXY+NzMgZXMgR0w8L2Rpdj48ZGl2Pk1hbC9n M2tldjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+PGJyPjxicj5TZW50IGZyb20gbXkgaVBob25lPC9kaXY+PGRpdj48YnI+ T24gNSBEZWMgMjAxNSwgYXQgMjI6MjEsIExhdXJlbmNlIEtMNyBMICZsdDs8YSBocmVmPSJtYWls dG86aGVsbG96ZXJvaGVsbG96ZXJvQGhvdG1haWwuY29tIj5oZWxsb3plcm9oZWxsb3plcm9AaG90 bWFpbC5jb208L2E+Jmd0OyB3cm90ZTo8YnI+PGJyPjwvZGl2PjxibG9ja3F1b3RlIHR5cGU9ImNp dGUiPjxkaXY+DQoNCjxzdHlsZT48IS0tDQouaG1tZXNzYWdlIFANCnsNCm1hcmdpbjowcHg7DQpw YWRkaW5nOjBweA0KfQ0KYm9keS5obW1lc3NhZ2UNCnsNCmZvbnQtc2l6ZTogMTJwdDsNCmZvbnQt ZmFtaWx5OkNhbGlicmkNCn0NCi0tPjwvc3R5bGU+DQo8ZGl2IGRpcj0ibHRyIj5BY3R1YWxseSBN YWwgc29tZSBvZiB0aGUgcnggZHggcmVjb3JkcyBib3RoIG9uIExGIGFuZCBNRiBoYXZlIGJlZW4g d2l0aCBwc2V1ZG8gaGlnaCBaIEpveXN0aWNrcyBhIGxhIFdldCBNYXRjaCBTdGlja3MuICZuYnNw O0kgc2VlIHJlY2FsbCB0aGUgSm95c3RpY2tzIFBXIGFkdmVydHMgZm9yIHRoZW0gZm9yIEhGITxk aXY+PGJyPjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+TXkgYmVzdCBwZXJmb3JtZXJzIGhlcmUgYXJlICZuYnNwOyBXMVZE IEFNUkFEL0w0MDBiL1BBMFJEVCBuZXN0IG9mIEVwcm9iZXMgdXAgdmFyaW91cyB0cmVlcyBib3Ro IG9mIE1GL0xGIGJ1dCBhcyBldmVyIHZlcnkgbXVjaCBsb2NhdGlvbiBhbmQgbm9pc2Ugc291cmNl IGRlcGVuZGVudCwgd2hpY2ggdG9nZXRoZXIgd2l0aCBoYXZpbmcgdGhlIHJlYWwgZXN0YXRlIGF2 YWlsYWJsZS4uLiBub3Qgc28gbXVjaCBoZXJlLi4uLiBJIGNhbnQgZ28gdXAgYWJvdmUgdHJlZSBo ZWlnaHQgY29zIEkgd291bGQgaGl0IGxhbmRpbmcgYWlyY3JhZnQsIG9yIG1vcmUgbGlrZWx5IHRo ZXkgd2lsbCBoaXQgbWUuLi48ZGl2Pjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2Pk15IG5lYXIgcXVhcnRlciB3YXZl IGZvciA0NzUgaW52ZXJ0ZWQgTCB0eXBpY2FsbHkgKHR5cGljYWxseSBjb3MgaXQgdmFyaWVzIG9u IHdhdmUgYW5nbGUgYW5kIG5vaXNlIHNvdXJjZSB0eXBlL2JlYXJpbmcgYXQgdGhlIHRpbWUpIGRv ZXNudCBhZmZvcmQgYmV0dGVyIHMvbiBvdmVyIGEgd2VsbCBwbGFjZWQgd2V0IG1hdGNoIHN0aWNr IG1vc3Qgb2YgdGhlIHRpbWUsIG5vciBpcyB0aGUgMTBmdCAzMFQgcGFzc2l2ZSBsb29wIG5vciAx MGZ0IGRpYW0gYWN0aXZlIGxvb3AgYmV0dGVyIC0gaGV5IG15IGdyb3VuZCByZXNpc3Rpdml0eS9w ZXJtIGlzIGRhbmcgcG9vciBoZXJlIHNpdHRpbmcgb24gZ2xhY2lhbCB0aWxsLi48ZGl2Pjxicj48 L2Rpdj48ZGl2Pkxvb2tpbmcgZm9yd2FyZCB0byB0aGUgZGF5IG9uIHNlZWluZyB5b3UgY29taW5n IGluIG92ZXIgdGhlIFBvbGUgTWFsLiAmbmJzcDtZb3V2ZSBub3QgbWFuYWdlZCB0byBoaXQgaGVy ZSBpbiBMRi8gNDc1IE1GIHlldCBidXQga25vdyB5b3UgaGFkIGEgZ29vZCBzaWduYWwgaGVyZSBv biAxNjA7ICZuYnNwO0l0cyBub3QgYmVlbiBmYXZvcmFibGUgc28gZmFyIHRoaXMgd2ludGVyLi4u PC9kaXY+PGRpdj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PGRpdj5CZXN0IDczIGZvciB0aGUgc2Vhc29uPC9kaXY+PGRp dj5MYXVyZW5jZSBLTDdMPGJyPjxicj48ZGl2PiZndDsgRnJvbTogPGEgaHJlZj0ibWFpbHRvOmcz a2V2bWFsQHRhbGt0YWxrLm5ldCI+ZzNrZXZtYWxAdGFsa3RhbGsubmV0PC9hPjxicj4mZ3Q7IFRv OiA8YSBocmVmPSJtYWlsdG86cnNnYl9sZl9ncm91cEBibGFja3NoZWVwLm9yZyI+cnNnYl9sZl9n cm91cEBibGFja3NoZWVwLm9yZzwvYT48YnI+Jmd0OyBEYXRlOiBTYXQsIDUgRGVjIDIwMTUgMTg6 MTY6NDAgKzAwMDA8YnI+Jmd0OyBTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogTEY6IFZhcmlhdGlvbiBpbiBteSBSeCBz aWduYWwgcmVwb3J0cyBvbiBMRjxicj4mZ3Q7IDxicj4mZ3Q7IEh1Z2g8YnI+Jmd0OyBGb3IgYWNj ZXB0YWJsZSByZXN1bHRzIHlvdSBuZWVkIGEgUkVBTCBhbnRlbm5hLiBJIG5vdGljZSB0aGF0IGFu dGVubmFzIGluIDxicj4mZ3Q7IHVzZSBpbiB0aGUgVUsgYXJlIHVzZWxlc3MgZm9yIHdlYWsgc2ln bmFsIHJlY2VwdGlvbi4gT25seSBvbmUgc3RuIGluIHRoZSBVSyA8YnI+Jmd0OyBjYW4gZGVjb2Rl IG15IHNpZ25hbC48YnI+Jmd0OyBGb3IgTUYgdXNpbmcgdGhlIHByb3ZlcmJpYWwgam95IHN0aWNr IGFudGVubmFzIGFyZSBsaWtlIHVzaW5nIGEgbWF0Y2ggc3RpY2sgPGJyPiZndDsgZGlwcGVkIGlu IHdhdGVyPGJyPiZndDsgbWFsL2cza2V2PGJyPiZndDsgPGJyPjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2Pjwv ZGl2PiAJCSAJICAgCQkgIDwvZGl2Pg0KPC9kaXY+PC9ibG9ja3F1b3RlPjwvZGl2PjwvYmxvY2tx dW90ZT48L2JvZHk+PC9odG1sPg== --Apple-Mail-11983535-2C4C-40B6-BD59-4D9E7A50462E--