Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tB4Bkn1a011719 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 12:46:49 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1a4ol2-0000hR-Ji for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 11:42:36 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1a4ol2-0000hI-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 11:42:36 +0000 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1a4ojy-000858-0Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 11:42:35 +0000 Received: from AGB ([95.148.100.81]) by mwinf5d13 with ME id pPhA1r00E1lMyMK03PhAsD; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 12:41:13 +0100 X-ME-Helo: AGB X-ME-Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 12:41:13 +0100 X-ME-IP: 95.148.100.81 Message-ID: <5A28B56F6C6A43DDA81C72991FE8473A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB1B2C3DAD@servigilant.vigilant.local> In-Reply-To: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB1B2C3DAD@servigilant.vigilant.local> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 11:41:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Scan-Signature: 9e636c23ceac212ae224b3b612bce5fd Subject: Re: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5540 ok, Luis , Yes , I see you have 'pegged the power at 5 mW ! :) Well , I think G8HUH , has one of those special Ae's made out of anti-matter , but there has always been talk around the possibility of 'flash propagation' on MF, the other being the illumination of the RX 'zone' at -17 db G3XKR should , also of decoded , but the return to earth, gives the impression of , quite defined areas . last night UK stations where very low at my qth and LA , showed in EI but nothing with my location , 73-G, To night , I will put the Tx tuner in cct , -------------------------------------------------- From: "VIGILANT Luis Fernández" Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:20 AM To: Subject: RE: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment > > Done > > Added another 3dB atenuator to the already in use 10dB > From the 20dBm output of U3 to 520mV over 50Ohm -> 5mW to the antenna (NOT > ERP) > > Power message changed in WSPR and Opera > > Reports down 1 to 2dB in my monitor. We are really on the "dummy limit" > right now > > PS: The level of power were a MF antenna radiates as good as a dummy load > ;-) > > 73 de Luis > EA5DOM > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] En nombre de VIGILANT Luis > Fernández > Enviado el: viernes, 04 de diciembre de 2015 9:00 > Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Asunto: Re: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment > > Hi Graham, MF > > That was just when I went to bed ! > > -36dB Dynamic decode in Opera. But there was also a G8HUH decode in WSPR > with an amazing -17dB !! > > 2015-12-04 02:12 EA5DOM 0.475609 -17 0 IM98wn 0.01 G8HUH IO81mg 1430 352 > > Single spot from Maxi, EA5CV at 60Km > > 2015-12-04 06:24 EA5DOM 0.475612 -31 0 IM98wn 0.01 EA5CV IM98ol 59 261 > > I'm going to add 3dB attenuation. Let's see if it is possible with 5mW on > antenna (not 5mW ERP) ;-) > > 73 de Luis > EA5DOM > > ________________________________________ > De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] en nombre de Graham > [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] > Enviado: viernes, 4 de diciembre de 2015 1:17 > Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Asunto: Re: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment > > Luis .. > > 22:47 477 EA5DOM de G8HUH Op8 Deep Search 889 mi -36 dB in Somerset > 1520.8 Hz with 0.01w + Vert 11+80m > > G, > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "VIGILANT Luis Fernández" > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:40 AM > To: > Subject: RE: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment > >> >> Hi Graham, MF >> >> Much worse conditions last night. I even checked the RMS voltage over >> 50R load to see if the attenuator was not working correctly, but there >> were the 11mW >> >> Only two WSPR spots from Andy at limit >> >> 2015-12-02 23:24 EA5DOM 0.475610 -32 0 IM98wn 0.01 F1AFJ JN06ht 919 4 >> 2015-12-02 21:24 EA5DOM 0.475610 -30 0 IM98wn 0.01 F1AFJ JN06ht 919 4 >> >> I saw the report from G3XKR on PskReporter but nothing via Opera >> server Probably due to the old software version used by G3XKR ?? >> >> Anyway VERY good Rx there ! :-) >> >> Will keep at 11mW for the moment >> >> 73 de Luis >> EA5DOM >> >> -----Mensaje original----- >> De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] En nombre de Graham >> Enviado el: jueves, 03 de diciembre de 2015 1:12 >> Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Asunto: Re: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment >> >> >> Rx at Wed, 02 Dec 2015 21:46:11 GMT >> From EA5DOM by G3XKR Loc IO70UX >> Frequency: 0.477 MHz (600m), OPERA, -31dB >> Distance: 1418 km bearing 348° >> Using: Opera v1.5.4/Rptr V1.6 >> Antenna: RX Op8 >> >> V 1-5-4 pre dynamic ? >> >> 73-G, >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Tony Baldwin" >> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 7:25 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment >> >>> I'm on 477 opera as well as 474.2 WSPR I shall leave it monitoring >>> both all night 73, Tony, EI8JK >>> >>> On 02-Dec-15 19:08, Graham wrote: >>>> Still big signals Luis ! >>>> >>>> We know from the Vampire tests , what should happen, but , there is no >>>> accurate way of telling who is actually running Rx on 477 now, >>>> since the psk-map changed the housekeeping routines ... >>>> >>>> Im Rx 477 at the moment , only see your local decode's at the >>>> moment >>>> >>>> 73-G, >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "VIGILANT Luis Fernández" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 7:51 AM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment >>>> >>>>> No more DX last night at 11mW >>>>> >>>>> One spot from F5WK and many more from Andy F1AFJ >>>>> >>>>> Maxi, EA5CV got a few at -28dB and being just 60Km away but with a >>>>> sub optimal Rx No other EA station got copy >>>>> >>>>> No Opera spots. Monitors were too far, probably >>>>> >>>>> There were few TA spots across north atlantic. So, conditions were >>>>> not bad Will keep Txing at this power level untill finishing the PA >>>>> install at terrace >>>>> >>>>> 73 de Luis >>>>> EA5DOM >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] en nombre de VIGILANT Luis >>>>> Fernández [luis@vigilant.es] >>>>> Enviado: martes, 1 de diciembre de 2015 23:11 >>>>> Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Asunto: Re: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment >>>>> >>>>> Wellcome to the 11mW challenge, Clemens :-) >>>>> >>>>> F5WK joined the party with just one spot but breaking the distance >>>>> mark to 1192km >>>>> >>>>> 2015-12-01 20:24 EA5DOM 0.475608 -28 0 IM98wn >>>>> 0.01 F5WK IN99ef 1192 355 >>>>> >>>>> Andy has 8 spots so far. And one as good as -20dB !! >>>>> >>>>> 2015-12-01 21:36 EA5DOM 0.475610 -20 0 IM98wn >>>>> 0.01 F1AFJ JN06ht 919 4 >>>>> >>>>> You are at 1515Km. A real edge for such a weak signal ?? >>>>> >>>>> 73 de Luis >>>>> EA5DOM >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] en nombre de Clemens Paul >>>>> [cpaul@gmx.net] >>>>> Enviado: martes, 1 de diciembre de 2015 22:54 >>>>> Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Asunto: RE: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment >>>>> >>>>> Hello Luis, >>>>> >>>>>> I wonder if there is al least 1mW ERP out ! Still a lot of room >>>>>> for Opera Deep Search spots >>>>>> >>>>>> Any other taker ? >>>>> >>>>> I'll give it a try tonight. >>>>> RX and WSPR are running now. >>>>> I know I can compete with DH5RAE and DJ0ABR regarding WSPR spots >>>>> (RX-wise). >>>>> I'm also quite out in the sticks... >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> Clemens >>>>> DL4RAJ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of VIGILANT >>>>>> Luis Fernández >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 9:17 PM >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment >>>>>> >>>>>> Wow. We have a winner >>>>>> >>>>>> Congratulations Andy ! Fantastic spots -25dB using only 11mW here >>>>>> >>>>>> 2015-12-01 19:36 EA5DOM 0.475610 -25 >>>>>> 0 IM98wn 0.01 F1AFJ JN06ht >>>>>> 919 4 >>>>>> 2015-12-01 19:24 EA5DOM 0.475610 -25 >>>>>> 0 IM98wn 0.01 F1AFJ JN06ht >>>>>> 919 4 >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder if there is al least 1mW ERP out ! Still a lot of room >>>>>> for Opera Deep Search spots >>>>>> >>>>>> Any other taker ? >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 de Luis >>>>>> EA5DOM >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] en nombre de VIGILANT Luis >>>>>> Fernández [luis@vigilant.es] >>>>>> Enviado: martes, 1 de diciembre de 2015 16:23 >>>>>> Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Asunto: Re: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> OK Graham, there we are ! ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> 0,742V RMS over 50Ohm. That's 11mW >>>>>> >>>>>> Can see 1dB down in my WSPR monitor at 7Km. Reports from EA5CV >>>>>> which were about -25dB are nill now >>>>>> >>>>>> Really challenging for me and for RX stations. Probably will get >>>>>> some spots from EA5CV and EA2HB during the night, but for >1000Km >>>>>> paths it will be very hard, depending on propagation conditions >>>>>> and noise floor >>>>>> >>>>>> WSPR power message set to 10dBm and Opera info changed to 0,01w >>>>>> >>>>>> Make your bet ! ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 de Luis >>>>>> EA5DOM >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] en nombre de Graham >>>>>> [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] >>>>>> Enviado: martes, 1 de diciembre de 2015 14:26 >>>>>> Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Asunto: Re: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Getting there Luis ! >>>>>> >>>>>> Your 6 dB in hand with G3XKR , may be more with G8HUH , >>>>>> >>>>>> Go for the big 1-0 TEN mW , the stats are not good , >>>>>> you need to get a peak aligned with the qsb , but with 8% >>>>>> fade , but, signal must be holding up ... >>>>>> >>>>>> 73-G, >>>>>> >>>>>> From: VIGILANT Luis Fernández >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 8:23 AM >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi MF >>>>>> >>>>>> Yet some remarkable results with 51mW. May be propagation >>>>>> conditions lowered extra dBs >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, in Opera got a -30dB decode from G3XKR and Deep Search >>>>>> -37dB from SV8CS-5 at 1819Km >>>>>> >>>>>> 00:34 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM Op8 0 km +0 dB F:1%_End in Albir >>>>>> 1519,0 Hz with 0.05w + Vert 11+80m >>>>>> 00:34 477 EA5DOM de G3XKR Op8 -30 dB F:8% in BIDEFORD Devon >>>>>> >>>>>> 01:47 477 EA5DOM de SV8CS-5 Op8 Deep Search 1819 km -37 dB >>>>>> in Zakynthos 1519.5 Hz with 0.05w + Vert 11+80m >>>>>> 01:46 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM Op8 0 km +1 dB F:2% in Albir >>>>>> 1519,0 Hz with 0.05w + Vert 11+80m >>>>>> >>>>>> In WSPR best distance and SNR spots from: >>>>>> >>>>>> 2015-12-01 03:00 EA5DOM 0.475607 -27 >>>>>> 0 IM98wn 0.02 DH5RAE JN68qv >>>>>> 1576 39 >>>>>> >>>>>> 2015-11-30 22:00 EA5DOM 0.475607 -29 >>>>>> 0 IM98wn 0.02 DJ0ABR JN68nt >>>>>> 1556 39 >>>>>> 2015-12-01 03:00 EA5DOM 0.475608 -30 >>>>>> 0 IM98wn 0.02 G3XKR IO70ux >>>>>> 1419 348 >>>>>> 2015-11-30 23:12 EA5DOM 0.475608 -22 >>>>>> 0 IM98wn 0.02 F5WK IN99ef 1192 >>>>>> 355 >>>>>> >>>>>> Should I get down another 3dB to 25mW and still spotted by F5WK ?? >>>>>> :-O >>>>>> >>>>>> Congratulations to all this stations for their superb RX ! >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 de Luis >>>>>> EA5DOM >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] en nombre de VIGILANT Luis >>>>>> Fernández [luis@vigilant.es] >>>>>> Enviado: lunes, 30 de noviembre de 2015 21:03 >>>>>> Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Asunto: Re: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's go step by step >>>>>> >>>>>> 3db down now: 1,60V RMS 51mW >>>>>> >>>>>> Same signals on my monitor and some drop on F5WK and EA5CV reports >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 de Luis >>>>>> EA5DOM >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] en nombre de Graham >>>>>> [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] >>>>>> Enviado: lunes, 30 de noviembre de 2015 19:14 >>>>>> Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Asunto: Re: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> .. May be 10 dB at least ! >>>>>> >>>>>> G, >>>>>> >>>>>> From: VIGILANT Luis Fernández >>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 5:53 PM >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: RE: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Graham, MF >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes. The efficiency of this antenna setup is really outstanding >>>>>> :-O I can clearly see the signal on my monitor waterfall at 7Km >>>>>> when injecting -33dBm >>>>>> >>>>>> Just at sunset between EA and DL I got two WSPR decodes from >>>>>> DH5RAE and DJ0ABR >>>>>> >>>>>> 2015-11-30 16:00 EA5DOM 0.475608 -29 >>>>>> 0 IM98wn 0.05 DJ0ABR JN68nt >>>>>> 1556 39 >>>>>> 2015-11-30 16:00 EA5DOM 0.475614 -22 >>>>>> 0 IM98wn 0.05 EA5CV IM98ol >>>>>> 59 261 >>>>>> 2015-11-30 16:00 EA5DOM 0.475607 -31 >>>>>> 0 IM98wn 0.05 DH5RAE JN68qv >>>>>> 1576 39 >>>>>> >>>>>> I have the 3dB atenuator ready to be installed. Will do it when I >>>>>> get home in a couple of hours and will change the WSPR tx power >>>>>> indicator and Opera info to notice the change >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 de Luis >>>>>> EA5DOM >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] En nombre de Graham >>>>>> Enviado el: lunes, 30 de noviembre de 2015 18:13 >>>>>> Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Asunto: Re: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Luis >>>>>> >>>>>> That's just 'a silly , -18 dB with G8HUH , I thought >>>>>> you where running QRP, that's close to 20 dB QRO jiji >>>>>> >>>>>> 73-G, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From EA5DOM by G8HUH Loc IO81MG >>>>>> Frequency: 0.477 MHz (600m), OPERA, -18dB >>>>>> >>>>>> All OP8 decodes from psk-map >>>>>> >>>>>> EA5DOM SO5AS >>>>>> 600m OPERA >>>>>> 2210 km 18:10:11 >>>>>> EA5DOM >>>>>> SV8CS-5 600m >>>>>> OPERA 1820 km 18:46:12 >>>>>> SV8CS EA5DOM >>>>>> 600m OPERA >>>>>> 1819 km 19:20:11 >>>>>> EA5DOM EI8JK >>>>>> 600m OPERA >>>>>> 1633 km 18:46:12 >>>>>> EA5DOM G8HUH >>>>>> 600m OPERA >>>>>> 1430 km 18:22:12 >>>>>> EA5DOM G3XKR >>>>>> 600m OPERA >>>>>> 1420 km 23:10:11 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: VIGILANT Luis Fernández >>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 11:48 AM >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: RE: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you Tony >>>>>> >>>>>> That explains the radical propagation change ! :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for keeping your monitor working >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 de Luis >>>>>> EA5DOM >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] En nombre de Tony >>>>>> Baldwin Enviado el: lunes, 30 de noviembre de 2015 9:34 >>>>>> Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Asunto: Re: LF: EA5DOM back to MF, but QRP at the moment >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Luis, I switched my radio off last night at about 23:30 utc. >>>>>> I will leave it running opera all night tonight if you want to try >>>>>> different power levels again. >>>>>> 73, Tony, EI8JK >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > >