Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tBLJiAkq000863 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 20:44:17 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1aB1T6-0005z9-Mc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:29:44 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1aB1T6-0005z0-DU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:29:44 +0000 Received: from parrot.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aB1S6-00012a-VM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:29:43 +0000 Received: from sb.abelian.org (i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.83]) by parrot.netcom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0113273A5 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:19:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sb.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9599528A0141 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <56780C8A.3080002@abelian.org> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:28:26 +0000 From: Paul Nicholson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8D30934359654D8-15C4-3DDFF4@webmail-vm170.sysops.aol.com> <0EF07ED4EE1B45BDBB86B44B855B03BF@gnat> <68629D3DB5E840F098999D75247C9777@gnat> <5677202D.8070200@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: X-Scan-Signature: 0b36c952c26be93e626fe2fa1c93657f Subject: Re: LF: VLF in VO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5874 Jim AA5BW wrote: > Would you tend to allocate another 10db-15dB or so of > loss for waveguide coupling efficiency given horizontal > polarization The radiator, although a horizontal wire, is practically a vertical polarised Hertzian dipole with the ground as one pole and the wire as the other. Horizontal polarisation suffers very high attenuation at VLF. I've never got anything sensible from NEC at VLF and tend to use a quasi static calculation to estimate the effective height, eg with http://abelian.org/lcng and then treat it as a vertical Hertzian dipole. At long range the received power density is inversely proportional to range because the transmitted power is trapped in the Earth-ionosphere cavity. On top of that 'geometric' loss, the attenuation will only be 1 or 2dB per 1000km at night over water. Dimitris VK2COW/VK1SV wrote > attenuation over distance does seem to be a lot more > pronounced than you would expect and I think this has to do > with the fact that at a kilometre or so distance from the > transmitter, we are still in the near field of the antenna! Near field strength falls away very rapidly but don't let that put you off. Once the far field takes over, VLF signals propagate very well. You might not be able to hear your near field signal beyond a few km, but a GPS locked carrier can be integrated for a long time to produce a clear detection at great distance. My suggestions: - Announce your transmissions, even if you don't expect much. It's fun to look for the weak signals anyway and often we are surprised; - Long unmodulated carrier so that a simple long coherent integration can be used; - GPS or rubidium locked so that the transmitted phase stays fixed. A very good OCXO is also worth a try, especially if you can calibrate it so we know the exact frequency. - Avoid multiples of 50 Hz or 60Hz depending on the reception area. Place the carrier in between the mains harmonics; - Avoid tampering with the loading coil tuning once you've started because this upsets the phase; - Don't rule out daytime tests. In Europe, daytime often does better up to ranges of around 2Mm because the receiver doesn't have the strong nighttime noise from South America. My receiver in Todmorden records E and H continuously to catch natural radio signals. It is no trouble at all to look for a weak amateur signal so there's no harm in trying! There are also very good natural radio receivers in Germany, Italy, and North America which run continuously and make their signals available on the net. You can aim for these too. http://abelian.org/vlf Bielefeld, Cumiana, Hawley and Forest are GPS timed so are capable of long integrations and their signals are recorded on about a 20 day loop which means you can announce your tests afterwards. -- Paul Nicholson --