Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tBC0dBBD013119 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 01:39:11 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1a7YA3-0008HY-0f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:35:43 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1a7YA2-0008HP-OF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:35:42 +0000 Received: from parrot.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1a7Y8y-0007rQ-Id for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:35:41 +0000 Received: from sb.abelian.org (i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.83]) by parrot.netcom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FECA327403 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:25:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sb.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C3728A0220 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <566B6B8A.3020505@abelian.org> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:34:18 +0000 From: Paul Nicholson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <566B354C.4060003@virginbroadband.com.au> In-Reply-To: X-Scan-Signature: 4c0633a540d76adc241b9d3cede72a57 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA - carrier 0900 - 1200 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5772 Well done Joe, epic 3-day transmission and good data. The full plot http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/151212a.png The diurnal doesn't repeat very well from day to day but diurnals often don't. But it appears mostly diurnal as opposed to oscillator drift and it looks like the long term stability of the tx is very good. For comparison here is 24kHz NAA over the same time period http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/151212b.png There's enough data here to draw some tentative conclusion. NAA diurnal is much more repeatable and its dark path phase varies by no more than 50 degrees. At 8kHz signal phase is even steadier on long paths. But at LF the variation is much more, roughly in proportion to the frequency as we might expect. If this is generally the case at LF and it probably is, it doesn't bode well for the sort of ultra narrow band coherent BPSK that works so well at VLF where we use message durations of up to several hours. We're just not seeing that kind of window here. When signals are so weak that the reference phase must be found by trial and error, it's quite easy to guess the phase when it's likely to be steady or nearly so - not many trials are needed. But guessing becomes impractical if the phase wanders about, too many phase patterns must be tried [*]. It looks from these measurements that the narrow band signaling that works well at VLF will not work at LF. The longest duration we could use is probably around 60 to 90 minutes. On the other hand, LF signals are much stronger than VLF signals and the noise floor is lower so wide band high speed BPSK might do well and phase guessing works fine when the message duration is not too long. If the message is rapid enough, the phase is going to be approximately steady whatever the propagation is doing. Maybe the boundaries to push above VLF are going to be with high speed messages, perhaps at higher frequencies because 137 isn't wide enough. Operation would still be around 0dB Eb/N0, aiming for the channel capacity, but at a much higher rates and with stronger signals. So, 1mS symbols, anyone? [*] Not just impractical: increasing the number of phase trials reduces the overall coding gain because it increases the chance of a false detection. -- Paul Nicholson --