Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tASELHHU028941 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2015 15:21:18 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1a2gKh-00035b-60 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:18:35 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1a2gKg-00035R-Su for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:18:34 +0000 Received: from mail-wm0-f46.google.com ([74.125.82.46]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1a2gJf-00081t-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:18:33 +0000 Received: by wmec201 with SMTP id c201so100857181wme.0 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2015 06:17:15 -0800 (PST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NN36a0gxVoYJ+dclho/fq2IpvqVdUWTxFbao4+r/KwM=; b=S5mMaRaVwNIYCsHb/LcJV/d6Tk+8VNBaEFbdb+CEfYfPbRPMBb5uelbco0pqcZ4nMg tMN0vCOaK0KqkooKFRtjyekj0BorOR6MFjF/OqZ3BZE9Tvxf1xLNFqV87BjajVPh9jrx GUwtbjGTpicMFDEeF6yaxnT9HC6buRZiv8+jBp9IcsHdQv84zcZ5qiYt92h1w+NCvFr0 O2DL94HdN7g1Ss63ZBBwMdEWRwDUivMSvbeq9Vcj/oQeO+TdBCXUoL3CDxZ0HIcH8oWO FZs5b9JuuRUsgnevACnaxqcMQ0cninP6UAjRF/PjrE+8L5RZw8KVRyND58yKZ5U4W8LF wK5Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.185.6 with SMTP id ey6mr62493181wjc.42.1448720235105; Sat, 28 Nov 2015 06:17:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.28.130.139 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Nov 2015 06:17:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8D2F6BC4F451A9F-14C8-11CB41@webmail-vd001.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D2F6BC4F451A9F-14C8-11CB41@webmail-vd001.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:17:14 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: fb3e28a759dea7e01d34d3fe7de7ae98 Subject: Re: LF: More EbNaut 137.777 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bea40b6fe182005259a7655 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5386 --047d7bea40b6fe182005259a7655 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Bit late replying to this ! You forgot to show the squared term, although the final value is correct 1579 * (10/36145)^2 = 121uR SO..... How come no one else spotted the equation worked out incorrectly :-) 'JNT On 26 November 2015 at 23:50, Markus Vester wrote: > >> How can I estimate Rrad for a 100m wire at 10 m average height on 8.3 kHz? > > 1579 ohms * (10 m / 36145 m) = 121 microohms > > > > Joe, if you wanted you could almost copy Stefan's VLF coil described on his website, using thin enameled wire on a large water barrel. > > Assuming your antenna can withstand 28 kV rms, you could run 0.8 A which would instantly put you into the TA playground with Paul. > > > > 73, Markus > > > > PS. 20 dB more will get you 10 times as far (at least in free space ;-) > > --047d7bea40b6fe182005259a7655 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bit late replying to this !
You forgot to show the squ= ared term, although the final value is correct

157= 9 * (10/36145)^2 =3D 121uR

SO.....=C2=A0 How come = no one else spotted the equation worked out incorrectly :-)

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'JNT



On 26 November 2015 at 23:50, Markus V= ester <markusvester@aol.com> wrote:
>> How can I estimate Rrad for a 100m wire at 10 m av=
erage height on 8.3 kHz?=C2=A0
1579 ohms * (10 m / 36145 m) =3D 121 microohms
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Joe, if you wanted you could almost copy Stefan's VLF coil describ= ed on his website, using thin enameled wire on a large water barrel.
Assuming your antenna can withstand 28 kV rms, you could run 0.8 A whi= ch would instantly put you into the TA playground with Paul.
=C2=A0
73, Markus
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PS. 20 dB more will get you 10 times as far (at least in free space ;-= )

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