Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1102; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tAUDKv2C000777 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:20:58 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1a3OKU-00021T-B7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 13:17:18 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1a3OKU-00021K-1b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 13:17:18 +0000 Received: from mail-wm0-f50.google.com ([74.125.82.50]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1a3OJQ-0007UI-25 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 13:17:16 +0000 Received: by wmvv187 with SMTP id v187so156075533wmv.1 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 05:15:57 -0800 (PST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3Cahv1EhHUVR7cZCt2gb2v/tXjSozlkn0XILwg9QPx8=; b=Y5CchgRVR16hDs3PffBvVvDsS5JUgn3Sd+h+eHpCw5iOaldrAjjxuqR9WJ7wZeBFpR glaPipps2z8cm1EvQxPVR/Xru5jtFMC6lx0xFvZLOOvq/Dtxh6SzbpzCgZBWE41f1OkO 0nYR6s9JIZEzD2iG2AoCYcAPhku1C833YURW9AihqytPwRITHniRSvrhLB8SmI0FWpvV L1yvze/kxaekoKFTpJRPV7HgO11H2iF3IK7jJwJYFMynuCPeQ9Azd7ClvOv1j444TQ6T T4L6nQ1HK2V6YruotXrKoZJ5zFoRCuffQITxtco1oBtjYUN7765c+wNzznjNk90QaSxA zWRg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.28.51.135 with SMTP id z129mr27909755wmz.19.1448889356904; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 05:15:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.28.130.139 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 05:15:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 13:15:56 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Subject: LF: Beware damage from active antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5463 Many people use active receive antennas on the LF/MF bands; I use a commercial Procomm active whip which sits under my 137kHz Tee. It is happy to exist in the high E-fields generated when transmitting, even though it is overloaded and useless while Tx is under way. But it survives (it was probably designed to cope with high power adjacent operation) , I had never bothered to see what it was putting up its coax when the 137 or 475kHz Tx was on air. Until today... My new homebrew LF receiver http://www.g4jnt.com/Coherent_LF_Receiver.pdf has an LT5524 digitally programmable gain stage added at its front end - used mainly because I have quite a few of these, and it provides up to 20dB of adjustable decent power handling gain. A week or so ago, the Rx failed, after I'd had a session transmitting on 137kHz, and the lowest power setting of 300 Watts. The Rx had remained connected to the Procomm antenna during this test and teh LT5524 had died from overload. The data sheet states an absolute maximum of 3V on the input I replaced the LTC5524 chip, connected four IN914 as paired back-to-back protection (allowing 1.3V peak) across the input and thought nothing more of it. Yesterday, the same thing happened - the diodes didn't do their job. Of course, it doesn't help that I AC couple into the LT5524, being too lazy to make a second input transformer as well as the bifilar output one! So, decided to see what the Procomm actually was putting out while transmitting on 137kHz - it was horrifying to look at ! There was a square wave output of about 4V peak to peak into 50R, BUT, superimposed on leading and trailing edges were sharp spikes of a hundred nano seconds or so with amplitudes approaching 13V - the DC supply. They are there, presumably, as that antenna has a deliberately enhanced frequency response at the top to extend its operation into the VHF broadcast band (the manual says it is usable there) So the pk-pk square wave alone was enough to damage the LT6624 amplifier chip, but those spikes took it though the roof. No wonder two of them popped immediately excess RF appeared. Ironically, leakage up the Rx feed from a single bog-standard relay used as Tx/Rx changeover in my 137kHz transmitter was only 80mV pk-pk. Had I been using to that antenna, things would have survived Need a better Rx line up. Perhaps remove RF amplification from before the Finningly Dongle receiver and compensate that with a variable gain audio amp before the input to the 1kHz filter / digitiser Andy G4JNT