Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tADGroZ2029785 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:53:50 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZxHXE-0007Mr-79 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:49:12 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZxHXD-0007Mi-Ra for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:49:11 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZxHWD-0001QK-Fw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:49:10 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2DpBwClE0ZWPKyNH1xeGQQLAQIFAQEBgjtNgUKGXbVQgiiBZYYKBAICgTo7EgEBAQEBAQEGAQEBAUE/hDQBAQEBAwgbMy4FBQMDEQQBASsCAjkKDAgGEwgJiCGwSZBJAQEIAQEBAQEeikyBBod1L4EVBZJng2EBgSGNYJZ4g3IoCoJNgWg+NIU9AQEB X-IPAS-Result: A2DpBwClE0ZWPKyNH1xeGQQLAQIFAQEBgjtNgUKGXbVQgiiBZYYKBAICgTo7EgEBAQEBAQEGAQEBAUE/hDQBAQEBAwgbMy4FBQMDEQQBASsCAjkKDAgGEwgJiCGwSZBJAQEIAQEBAQEeikyBBod1L4EVBZJng2EBgSGNYJZ4g3IoCoJNgWg+NIU9AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,288,1444690800"; d="scan'208,217";a="60560630" Received: from host-92-31-141-172.as13285.net (HELO malcoHP) ([92.31.141.172]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 2015 16:49:20 +0000 Message-ID: <9630361E07884CC181AD7098155D814E@malcoHP> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB1B283765@servigilant.vigilant.local> <5C23727D-E70F-4DAA-BD82-EC44B0FA0FF6@talktalk.net> <68CEE968D1164B3C8EC451EEB91BB8E9@AGB> <02A24473F83A4D848151C25A2B83355B@malcoHP> <5645E87A.70705@posteo.de> <2492E34BD802456B9EDD7BF890784BED@malcoHP> <564601AF.4050201@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <564601AF.4050201@posteo.de> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:47:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3508.1109 X-Scan-Signature: 9d611a03c0c7539fa2f53ebf8cdeb3a5 Subject: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0067_01D11E33.00ED4490" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5021 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01D11E33.00ED4490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan=20 Great Observation from you , I do not think you missed anything out=20 You have a great QRO signal on all modes and on WSPR you are showing 7 = =E2=80=939 dB and well above all others which are showing on average = minus 10-20 dB (-10 to 20 dB).=20 At present on 474.2 you are showing 2 dB at 1618 utc while DJ0ABR is = showing =E2=80=9316 dB, DM5RAE showing =E2=80=9315dB=20 You are also audible and showing 3dB now at 1628 utc. The secret is Full Throttle !!!!!! I am currently RX=E2=80=99ing on a 40 metre quad loop N/S and = TX=E2=80=99ing on MF with a 1/4 wave inv L at a height of 33 metres = approx Quiet QTH out on the farm and about 2 Km west of the coast/seaside=20 73 and keep your foot on full throttle de mal/g3kev =20 From: DK7FC=20 Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 3:28 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Hi Mal, Am 13.11.2015 15:50, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Stefan At present I am happy with CW, QRSS and Opera on MF/LF That is fine. I am sure if I had Wspr I would make it to FR5ZX like all the others, = it does not look difficult, It is difficult but you would make it, i agree. BTW what is difficult? Some say: "With your big antenna and QRO it is nothing special (=3Dnot = difficult) to make 10000 km on LF" Others say: "When living in such a quiet location close to the sea, like = you, receiving TA stations is nothing special" Or: "When transmitting LF QRP into a small antenna and getting TA = reports anyway, a "T" report once in 3 months, in exceptional good = condx, this is nothing special! It is just due to the good propagation, = not due to your work and skills" Or: "Seeing a trace in VLF in "DFCW-60000" is nothing special because it = is just due the high integration times and signal stability. Everyone = could do it when having a station and signal generator like you" Or: "With your bought equipment, ready to use, developed and built by = others, it is easy to get good RX results. Nothing special! Not your = work. You just put it on the table, switched it on, choose the right = frequency and waited a bit" So what is special? I would say special is when: -You make the best out of your situation (QTH, money, time, R loss, R = rad, ERP) to arrange a working radio system and -When you use that system regularly!!! (kWh :-) ) -Work on your skills and try to improve the system -When you build your own stuff from the skills that you worked on. I would like a CW or QRSS 5 QSO with FR5ZX if he was suitably = equipped. Me too. Maybe in the future, maybe. Most MF signals are reaching long distances but unfortunately there = are not enough DX stations through the world listening or engaging.=20 cfm. But also, maybe in the future. The band population is growing and = FR5ZX is a good multiplicator for activity. I hope he will stay. 73, Stefan ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01D11E33.00ED4490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan
Great Observation from you , I  do not think you missed = anything out=20
You have a great QRO signal on all modes and on WSPR you are = showing 7 =E2=80=939=20 dB and well above all others which are showing on average minus 10-20 dB = (-10 to=20 20 dB).
At present on 474.2 you are showing 2 dB at 1618 utc while DJ0ABR = is=20 showing =E2=80=9316 dB,  DM5RAE showing =E2=80=9315dB
You are also audible and showing 3dB now at 1628 utc.
The secret is Full Throttle !!!!!!
I am currently RX=E2=80=99ing on a 40 metre quad loop N/S and = TX=E2=80=99ing on MF with a=20 1/4 wave inv L at a height of 33 metres approx
Quiet QTH out on the farm and about 2 Km west of the coast/seaside =
 
73 and keep your foot on full throttle
 
de mal/g3kev
 
 
 
 
From: DK7FC
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR
 
Hi=20 Mal,

Am 13.11.2015 15:50, schrieb mal hamilton:=20
Stefan
At present I am happy with CW, QRSS and Opera on=20 MF/LF
That is fine.
I am sure if I had Wspr I would make it to FR5ZX like all the = others, it=20 does not look difficult,
It is difficult = but you=20 would make it, i agree.

BTW what is difficult?
Some = say:=20 "With your big antenna and QRO it is nothing special (=3Dnot difficult) = to make=20 10000 km on LF"
Others say: "When living in such a quiet = location=20 close to the sea, like you, receiving TA stations is nothing=20 special"
Or: "When transmitting LF QRP into a small antenna = and=20 getting TA reports anyway, a "T" report once in 3 months, in exceptional = good=20 condx, this is nothing special! It is just due to the good propagation, = not due=20 to your work and skills"
Or: "Seeing a trace in VLF in = "DFCW-60000" is=20 nothing special because it is just due the high integration times and = signal=20 stability. Everyone could do it when having a station and signal = generator like=20 you"
Or: "With your bought equipment, ready to use, developed = and=20 built by others, it is easy to get good RX results. Nothing special! Not = your=20 work. You just put it on the table, switched it on, choose the right = frequency=20 and waited a bit"

So what is special?

I would say special = is=20 when:
-You make the best out of your situation (QTH, money, time, R = loss, R=20 rad, ERP) to arrange a working radio system and
-When you use that = system=20 regularly!!! (kWh :-) )
-Work on your skills and try to improve the=20 system
-When you build your own stuff from the skills that you worked = on.


I would like a CW or QRSS 5 QSO with FR5ZX if he was  = suitably=20 equipped.
Me too. Maybe in the future, = maybe.
Most MF signals are reaching long distances but  = unfortunately there=20 are not enough DX stations through the world listening or engaging.=20
cfm. But also, maybe in the future. The = band=20 population is growing and FR5ZX is a good multiplicator for activity. I = hope he=20 will stay.


73, Stefan

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