Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1170; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tA3IQgKo024979 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:26:43 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZtgEV-0002eN-QB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 18:22:59 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZtgEV-0002eE-9K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 18:22:59 +0000 Received: from rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.130] helo=cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZtgDV-00068e-1L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 18:22:58 +0000 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 023F1128163.ACAB6 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-2e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.34]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023F1128163 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:21:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB2.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub2.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F32EF2003B for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:21:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::edaf:341f:90e:f70e]) by ICTS-S-HUB2.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::8559:ca7c:e195:e15d%26]) with mapi id 14.03.0224.002; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:21:35 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Thread-Index: AQHRFDIJO/jcVBo1WkS37GAxIBt21p6G8lqAgAAqoQCAA2d+gIAAGWc5 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:21:35 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A4444F433@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <563616A2.5010102@posteo.de>,<8D2E475F2EA5589-13F0-1FBC@webmail-vm190.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8D2E475F2EA5589-13F0-1FBC@webmail-vm190.sysops.aol.com> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-GB, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.11.13] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.130 (rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Scan-Signature: b183672d2d39521dd5e5027c4d070614 Subject: RE: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A4444F433ICTSSMBX1lunaku_" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4808 --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A4444F433ICTSSMBX1lunaku_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Being on holiday in I seemed to have missed some nice propagation on 472kHz= . Just a thought (or 2): - With dropping solar activity it is likely that propagation will improve t= he coming years. - The distance Europe-FR is almost the same as Europe-ZS, where we could ge= t a much larger audience. 73, Rik F/ON7YD (IN88GS) ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Markus Vester [markusvester@aol.com] Verzonden: dinsdag 3 november 2015 18:41 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: fr5zx@orange.fr Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Somewhat belated, here's a simple SNR plot of Michel's exceptional receptio= ns last Saturday night. We can see that there was significant QSB but also = some shorter steady periods, but it remains questionable whether using WSPR= -15 would provide the expected 9 dB gain. All the best, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=FCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 1 Nov 2015 2:44 pm Betreff: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Hi Fausto, Normal CW would have been possible last night! There were 90 decodes by FR5= ZX last night. The best reports from last night are: Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter = RGrid km az 2015-10-31 22:30 PA0A 0.475725 -20 0 JO33de = 2 FR5ZX LG78pu 9511 135 2015-10-31 23:46 DK7FC 0.475684 -12 0 JN49ik = 1 FR5ZX LG78pu 9095 137 2015-11-01 00:12 DF6NM 0.475785 -20 0 JN59nj = 1 FR5ZX LG78pu 8974 139 2015-10-31 23:58 DJ0ABR 0.475665 -25 0 JN= 68nt 0.2 FR5ZX LG78pu 8830 140 2015-10-31 23:42 DH5RAE 0.475753 -27 0 JN= 68qv 0.5 FR5ZX LG78pu 8826 141 2015-10-31 23:12 IZ7SLZ 0.475777 -27 0 JN= 80nu 0.01 FR5ZX LG78pu 7941 143 You know, a few weeks back i've tested the readability of a signal at -6 dB= and -16 dB. -6 dB was fine for a normal speed (100 Bpm) CW QSO. -16 dB was= barely audible, not fine for a QSO, maybe a call can be copied when repeat= ed a few times. So i think that -12 dB should be fine for a QSO at 60 Bpm a= nd some concentration... But it was just a short moment within 4 hours. Not= sure if someone want to call CQ for such a long time to make a "599tu" QSO= then :-) 73, Stefan PS: Could someone provide more statistical overview of last nights results? Am 01.11.2015 12:09, schrieb Fausto Coletti: Hi Stefan, -14 dB !!! Virtually with 10 dB extra power you would get an audible CW signal...at 90= 00 Km WOW. 73, Fausto IK4NMF --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A4444F433ICTSSMBX1lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Being on holiday in I seemed to have missed some nice propagation on 472= kHz.

Just a thought (or 2):

- With dropping solar activity it is likely that propagation w= ill improve the coming years.

- The distance Europe-FR is almost the same as Europe-ZS, where we could= get a much larger audience.

 

73, Rik  F/ON7YD (IN88GS)

 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Markus Vester [markusvester@aol.c= om]
Verzonden: dinsdag 3 november 2015 18:41
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
CC: fr5zx@orange.fr
Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR

Somewhat belated, here's a simple SNR plot of Mi= chel's exceptional receptions last Saturday night. We can see that the= re was significant QSB but also some shorter steady periods, but it remains questionable whether using WSPR-1= 5 would provide the expected 9 dB gain.
 
All the best,
Markus (DF6NM)

-----Urspr=FCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: So, 1 Nov 2015 2:44 pm
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR

Hi Fausto,

Normal CW would have been possible last night! There were 90 decodes by FR5= ZX last night. The best reports from last night are:

Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az
 2015-10-31 22:30   PA0A   0.475725   -20   0   JO33de   2   FR5ZX   LG78pu   9511   135 
 2015-10-31 23:46   DK7FC   0.475684   -12   0   JN49ik   1   FR5ZX   LG78pu   9095   137 
 2015-11-01 00:12   DF6NM   0.475785   -20   0   JN59nj   1   FR5ZX   LG78pu   8974   139 
 2015-10-31 23:58   DJ0ABR   0.475665   -25   0   JN68nt   0.2   FR5ZX   LG78pu   8830   140 
 2015-10-31 23:42   DH5RAE   0.475753   -27   0   JN68qv   0.5   FR5ZX   LG78pu   8826   141 
 2015-10-31 23:12   IZ7SLZ   0.475777   -27   0   JN80nu   0.01   FR5ZX   LG78pu   7941   143 

You know, a few weeks back i've tested the readability of a signal at -6 dB= and -16 dB. -6 dB was fine for a normal speed (100 Bpm) CW QSO. -16 dB was= barely audible, not fine for a QSO, maybe a call can be copied when repeat= ed a few times. So i think that -12 dB should be fine for a QSO at 60 Bpm and some concentration... But it= was just a short moment within 4 hours. Not sure if someone want to call C= Q for such a long time to make a "599tu" QSO then :-)

73, Stefan

PS: Could someone provide more statistical overview of last nights results?=



Am 01.11.2015 12:09, schrieb Fausto Coletti:
Hi Stefan,
 
-14 dB !!!
Virtually with 10 dB extra power= you would get an audible CW signal...at = 9000 Km WOW.
 
 
73, = Fausto IK4NMF

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