Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tADA33ID028297 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:03:03 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZxB4F-0005fM-M9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2015 09:54:51 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZxB4F-0005fD-2w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2015 09:54:51 +0000 Received: from s16315160.onlinehome-server.info ([87.106.80.234] helo=mail.vigilant.es) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZxB3G-0007zc-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2015 09:54:49 +0000 Received: from servigilant.vigilant.local ([87.216.178.132]) by vigilant.es with MailEnable ESMTP; Fri, 13 Nov 2015 10:52:56 +0100 Received: from servigilant.vigilant.local ([fe80::3cdf:95f8:c1c9:3931]) by servigilant.vigilant.local ([fe80::3cdf:95f8:c1c9:3931%13]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 13 Nov 2015 10:53:17 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?VIGILANT_Luis_Fern=E1ndez?= To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Thread-Index: AQHRHfVqUJEX7wOn7kyqdjtwlMR3ZJ6ZsKiw Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 09:53:16 +0000 Message-ID: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB1B286613@servigilant.vigilant.local> In-Reply-To: <02A24473F83A4D848151C25A2B83355B@malcoHP> Accept-Language: es-ES, en-US Content-Language: es-ES X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.0.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: 44c420854d9b31a04944aaba29cb2d18 Subject: LF: RE: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB1B286613servigilantvigi_" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5010 --_000_579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB1B286613servigilantvigi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mal, Graham Unfortunately the Op8 decodes from Reunion would be under Deep Search And you know. Not considered "real" decodes by the purists and so, garbaje = qualifyed Not showed on PskReporter map, either WSPR-15 may be another option, but stressing a PA for 15 minutes is not eas= y without nice matching and not sure if that is possible there. A WSPR-15 decode should be AAA+ qua= lified without doubts ;-) QSB on MF may be also an issue, for a 15 min WSPR TX, as previously discuss= ed in this reflector Anyway worth a try. I'm sure FR5ZX is trying to improve his Tx on MF and th= ere are better conditions to come on this band, ins't it ?. We have to be patient ..... 73 de Luis EA5DOM ________________________________ De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org] En nombre de mal hamilton Enviado el: viernes, 13 de noviembre de 2015 10:17 Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Asunto: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Graham Tnx info If you could contact him and ask him to divert to Opera reporting sometime= s it would be interesting since quite a number of MF OPERATORS are active a= t present. It would be a worthwhile exercise and QRSS would also be worth t= rying for a real time QSO DE MAL/G3KEV From: Graham Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 1:29 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Not yet, as far as we know Mal, Tom, G8HUH asked in the yahoo group after his wspr spot , by the r= eport Tom achieved, FR5 , would of made it back to Uk with his 60 wa= tts in OP8 directly 73-G, From: Mal Hamilton Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:51 PM To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Subject: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Does FR5ZX. Monitor opera on 477 KHz A lot of acty tonite De mal/g3kev Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2015, at 14:30, "mal hamilton" > wrote: It would be interesting to compare OPERA against WSPR at that distance to F= R5ZX also it would appear that a QRSS QSO would be possible on MF 73 de Mal.G3KEV From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=E1ndez Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:11 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Hi MF Interesting conditions to Reunion last night A total of 23 spots from FR5ZX. Only four stations reported 1 from G8HUH at -30 3 from SV8CS best -24 6 from DK7FC best -24 13 from EA5DOM best -19 >From Rick Strobbe ON7YD reference site for LF antennas I have seen his calc= ulations for a vertical antenna with inductive topload. May be is the closer configuration to what = I have managed to get here http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/#IndTop There is no mention to the feeding point for such antenna. In my setup H(L)= is 80m and I'm feeding at the coil base. Total H is 80+11=3D 91m The Ra calculated from Rick formulas is over 8 Ohm (not mOhm) This radiation resistance seems too much to be true. But results are provin= g really outstanding I'm just feeding the antenna with 70W, believe it or not and it is not real= ly resonanting on WPSR frequency but on 488KHz as I adjust the variometer up at the antenna and then run a coax line to sh= ack which changes it all The 80m pipe which forms the H(L) is really more complex in practice. It go= es down to building basement and there splits into different pipes. One connects to presure compressor a= nd water tank. The other runs underground 40m to the twin tower and then runs up again another 80m into t= he twin (parallel) tower The pipe section running underground is not metal, but plastic. The iner wa= ter column should work as current conductor. That water is confined in the pipes and presurized. Shou= ld be saturated with metal oxide similar to a heating circuit, so probably the plastic pipe got metal deposi= ts inside which make it even better conductor than the water colum itself Any thoughts ?? Am I getting >10% efficiency ?? 73 de Luis EA5DOM ________________________________ De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] En nombre de VIGILANT Lu= is Fern=E1ndez Enviado el: lunes, 09 de noviembre de 2015 16:01 Para: DK7FC; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Asunto: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR >From WSPR database, FR5ZX transmitted in 503KHz. Is 630m band not allowed i= n Reuni=F3n? 73 de Luis EA5DOM Enviado en portable ------ Mensaje original ------ Desde: DK7FC Fecha: 09/11/2015 14:48 Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Asunto:Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Hi Genosse Roman, FR5ZX is using a resonated vertical antenna with capacitive top load near h= is house. He also transmits with this antenna. 73, Stefan Am 09.11.2015 01:35, schrieb Roman RW3ADB: Parteigenosse Stefan! Any news about FR5ZX RX-setup? ) 73! Roman --_000_579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB1B286613servigilantvigi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mal, Graham
 
Unfortunately the Op8 decodes fro= m Reunion would be under Deep Search
 
And you know. Not considered &quo= t;real" decodes by the purists and so, garbaje qualifyed=
Not showed on PskReporter map, ei= ther
 
WSPR-15 may be another option, bu= t stressing a PA for 15 minutes is not easy without nice matching=
and not sure if that is possible = there. A WSPR-15 decode should be AAA+ qualified without doubts ;-)
QSB on MF may be also an issue, f= or a 15 min WSPR TX, as previously discussed in this reflector
 
Anyway worth a try. I'm sure FR5Z= X is trying to improve his Tx on MF and there are better conditions
to come on this band, ins't it ?.= We have to be patient .....
 
73 de Luis
EA5DOM

De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] En nombre de mal hamilton
Enviado el: viernes, 13 de noviembre de 2015 10:17
Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Asunto: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR

Graham
Tnx info
If you could contact him and ask him to divert to  Opera reportin= g sometimes it would be interesting since quite a number of MF OPERATORS ar= e active at present. It would be a worthwhile exercise and QRSS would also = be worth trying for a real time QSO
 
DE MAL/G3KEV
 
 
From: Graham
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR
 
Not  yet, as far as we know Mal,
 
Tom, G8HUH  asked  in the  yahoo  group after = ; his  wspr  spot ,  by the  report  Tom achieved,=   FR5 , would  of made it back   to  Uk with his&n= bsp; 60 watts in OP8 directly
 
73-G,
 
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR
 
Does FR5ZX. Monitor opera on 477 KHz
A lot of acty tonite
De mal/g3kev


Sent from my iPhone

On 12 Nov 2015, at 14:30, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

It would be interesting to compare OPERA against WSPR at that distance= to FR5ZX
also it would appear that a QRSS QSO would be possible on MF
 
73 de Mal.G3KEV
 
 
 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:11 AM
Subject: RE: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR
 
Hi MF
 
Interesting conditions to Reunion= last night
 
A total of 23 spots from FR5ZX. O= nly four stations reported
 
1 from G8HUH at -30=
3 from SV8CS best -24
6 from DK7FC best -24
13 from EA5DOM best -19
 
From Rick Strobbe ON7YD reference= site for LF antennas I have seen his calculations for a vertical
antenna with inductive topload. M= ay be is the closer configuration to what I have managed to get here=
 
 
There is no mention to the feedin= g point for such antenna. In my setup H(L) is 80m and I'm feeding
at the coil base. Total H is 80&#= 43;11=3D 91m
 
The Ra calculated from Rick formu= las is over 8 Ohm (not mOhm)
This radiation resistance seems t= oo much to be true. But results are proving really outstanding
 
I'm just feeding the antenna with= 70W, believe it or not and it is not really resonanting on WPSR frequency = but on 488KHz
as I adjust the variometer up at = the antenna and then run a coax line to shack which changes it all
 
The 80m pipe which forms the H(L)= is really more complex in practice. It goes down to building basement
and there splits into different p= ipes. One connects to presure compressor and water tank. The other runs
underground 40m to the twin tower= and then runs up again another 80m into the twin (parallel) tower
The pipe section running undergro= und is not metal, but plastic. The iner water column should work as<= /font>
current conductor. That water is = confined in the pipes and presurized. Should be saturated with metal oxide<= /span>
similar to a heating circuit, so = probably the plastic pipe got metal deposits inside which make it even bett= er
conductor than the water colum it= self
 
Any thoughts ?? Am I getting >= 10% efficiency ??
 
73 de Luis
EA5DOM 
 
De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] En nombre de VIGILANT Luis Fern=E1ndez
Enviado el: lunes, 09 de noviembre de 2015 16:01
Para: DK7FC; rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org
Asunto: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR

From WSPR database, FR5ZX = transmitted in 503KHz. Is 630m band not allowed in Reuni=F3n?

 

73 de Luis

EA5DOM

 

Enviado en portable

------ Mensaje original ------
Desde: DK7FC
Fecha: 09/11/2015 14:48
Para: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org;
Asunto:Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR

Hi Genosse Roman,

FR5ZX is using a resonated vertical antenna with capacitive top load near h= is house. He also transmits with this antenna.

73, Stefan

Am 09.11.2015 01:35, schrieb Roman RW3ADB:
Pa= rteigenosse Stefan!

Any news about= FR5ZX RX-setup? )


 
73!
Roman
 
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