Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tAJKXE2n008061 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 21:33:14 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZzVqj-0005s2-KX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 20:30:33 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZzVqj-0005rt-Bx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 20:30:33 +0000 Received: from parrot.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzVpa-00014y-GL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 20:30:32 +0000 Received: from sb.abelian.org (i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.83]) by parrot.netcom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF853273EB for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 20:20:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sb.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E6228A023A for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 20:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <564E3112.6060903@abelian.org> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 20:29:06 +0000 From: Paul Nicholson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <564E1F03.5080500@abelian.org> <8D2F11C689A127D-15C4-D5FE9@webmail-vm170.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8D2F11C689A127D-15C4-D5FE9@webmail-vm170.sysops.aol.com> X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Subject: Re: LF: EbNaut LF test from iz7slz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5208 Markus wrote: > I would't rule out propagational Doppler. I see what you mean, the carrier looks quite ragged on there too. I guess I'm used to the nice sharp lines we get a VLF. These super high frequencies are a bit different! But I certainly have a problem with the timing system here. I'm capturing through the audio input of a BT878 video chip sampling at 448k/second and discipling the rate by centroid measurements of a pulse-per-second with the LF mixed in, sharing the mono input. It's pushing things a bit to say the least. I've altered some magic numbers in vttime to get some long term stability at the cost of extra short term jitter. In a few minutes we'll see how the 20:00 message looks. Nice decode from Andy. Eb/N0 from the symbol errors is 3dB below the carrier measurement. I'm not sure what that implies. This is all very new territory to explore, and great fun! The 20:00 just finished. Decoded! found rank 0: GE PAUL TNX RPRT ps [ 15 -120 -120 -150 -150] re-encode 290/1040 ber 2.79e-01 Es/N0=-7.6 Eb/N0=2.7 effrate=1/10.83 You'll notice that with weak signals, say less than about Eb/N0 = +3dB, it becomes difficult to estimate the reference phase by squaring the signal (or equivalently, costas looping). If the initial guess of the reference phase is good, the message will decode almost immediately with reference phase pattern 0 0 0 0 or 180 180 180 180. But you can see from mine an Andy's decodes that the initial guess based on squaring was poor, and the program really has to do some trial and error to get the best decode, which is coming out some 60 deg adrift from the initial guess. When you get down to around zero Eb/N0 the initial guess is pretty worthless. This is one of the key features that sets EbNaut apart from other coherent modes: it doesn't rely at all on trying to extract a reference phase. This is what allows it to go well below 3dB. -- Paul Nicholson --