Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1170; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tA4GtXpa027923 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:55:33 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Zu1IR-0004yC-AF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:52:27 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Zu1IQ-0004y3-W8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:52:26 +0000 Received: from mail-wm0-f41.google.com ([74.125.82.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1Zu1HO-0000hw-C6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:52:25 +0000 Received: by wmec75 with SMTP id c75so118322849wme.1 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 08:51:06 -0800 (PST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=l5yEurGlpfnWtoW3jMzDVt7fBptZZI1EPrG3c/DLCh8=; b=k79wZY3qKsgtBfo/80ZENobl1nwYYqkv/dbyUVekGxWPfIvtET8FebS4qascnLxEmR NDiHeJTQDekypDJv1sYTiBf0ZNk6DhJ6EdIJAygmLr62oLfEtKczFS+VBt6q01VuLP5N hOfu11KPwTGYXx69vwn6zhpbO6+p0ZelHwHKg7ReO+/ve/hDZccN5NjyyJ8zzAV1PZP+ JtNiNHSc1dEUF8N77pMLTn1Xjrc4omVonGXZUDyKBgxhOuwZby2AC05Exw/1VSKdnwzu +4f03pUPzOi+GCgwJsen00a6GFjY+J4Kz92QnABCQ+EyhaUN0H6TifjRJke0OBTeS+lR 2Vcw== X-Received: by 10.28.146.139 with SMTP id u133mr4679177wmd.29.1446655866181; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 08:51:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([82.98.23.94]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s2sm29635309wmd.13.2015.11.04.08.51.05 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Nov 2015 08:51:05 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) From: John Rabson X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <1843908200.20151104162925@chriswilson.tv> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:51:03 +0100 Message-Id: <40C5B8C3-7D79-403C-819F-F55EEB4FE905@gmail.com> References: <1843908200.20151104162925@chriswilson.tv> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: LF: Capacitive top hat question X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id tA4GtXpa027923 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4815 I have no experience of this at 136, but I remember visiting Ernie G3ERN at his QTH in Harlow and finding that I could walk all around the back yard and light a fluorescent tube when he keyed his top band mobile transmitter. This had a horizontal loading coil the length of a Commer J2 van with a shortish vertical whip at the opposite end from the feed. It must have radiated fairly well as some time about 1963 I had a contact with him on a summer afternoon. He was in the New Forest and I was on Sark. 73 John F5VLF > On 04 Nov 2015, at 17:29, Chris Wilson wrote: > > 04 November 2015 > > > On my 136khz set up I have a short piece of ladder line (about 16 feet > high, strapped together at the base only) feeding the corner of my > horizontal quad loop, which is about 460 feet in circumference. If I > am TX'ing with WSPR I can walk around under all of the loop and a > fluorescent tube at waist height will light quite brightly. Should the > loop also radiate as well as the vertical section? Sorry for the > probably naive question, I am not sure whether it's normal or not, > thanks. > > > > -- > > > Best regards, > Chris mailto:chris@chriswilson.tv > > john.rabson07@gmail.com Researching history of RABSON, BLACKSHAW, GAUNTLETT, VERLANDER and ROBSONNE