Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1170; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tA3KD0dc025239 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:13:00 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Zthtn-0002wa-Fa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:09:43 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Zthtg-0002wR-2c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:09:36 +0000 Received: from mail-wm0-f43.google.com ([74.125.82.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1Zthsb-0006QV-Tf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:09:34 +0000 Received: by wmff134 with SMTP id f134so24543491wmf.0 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 12:08:13 -0800 (PST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=CVQhKLS1ksGc7aEMPA/1wZr3kOz7UDkU3/QRhf5yAUk=; b=S0HGZQCXJPYpXeaeia+CBQfEZyWssExIKwIxhrR8E4nmjn7D6/C3H2NvxqBiT0Q8X6 I9QTcgi7WMiZaj+OMHuY6bJqLSrDcIjvDIZ/c9Fk5WVo+FTFFEsuxptx99wUKq1RPYdx RdOF7Mwn3b/De8supjJkuL32g16atHCIkgXwaVGUi10a8YQq1rBhIYhs3WjAUF2yLjBs 9cb+ImUP6urYWV8chHogBoxCTlMGxBCzuNTABLCtA0b1YGq0t92tOEHGnbzV4dFUZVwe Znnc2AbD4nwZqMBer8r2yOg/FKIPQYIIMeRh1aVPU8F2ipeVsWcZibH9gqcNVRicnIFO TThQ== X-Received: by 10.28.130.12 with SMTP id e12mr22504245wmd.76.1446581293701; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 12:08:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([82.98.23.94]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id wx10sm29224735wjb.40.2015.11.03.12.08.12 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Nov 2015 12:08:13 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) From: John Rabson In-Reply-To: <56390E67.9080708@lineone.net> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:08:11 +0100 Message-Id: <3FFB89E1-17BC-4B86-AB26-E5138635FD3A@gmail.com> References: <56390E67.9080708@lineone.net> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) X-Scan-Signature: 1708620d3ce65bee0beaaede7929769a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite Rods For LF Preamplifiers X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id tA3KD0dc025239 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4810 I haven’t looked at this sort of configuration recently, but it is worth perhaps consulting the doctoral thesis of David Gibson, which you can find at http://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/4169/1/uk_bl_ethos_270894.pdf Chapter 4 contains discussion of antennas, both in air-cored and ferrite-based. Although it principally deals with subterranean situations you may find it useful. John F5VLF G3PAI > On 03 Nov 2015, at 20:43, LineOne wrote: > > Amongst some ferrite rods, I have 3 identical, all with LW & MW windings. I could remove the windings and make a fat bundle of the 3 then wind another coil for an LF preamplifier to improve on my existing one. Inductors are better not to be long and thin I know but what about the magnetic cores such as ferrite? > This makes some sense, but I would rather join the rods in line, retaining a litz wire LW winding which will tune with about 470pF, ending up with an 18mm PVC tube of about 600mm and a small ABS box in the centre so the whole looks like a VHF dipole. > Has anyone done this? > > Yesterday we were enveloped in a very wet, dripping fog and it seemed to attenuate my few LF transmissions as nobody received them. UHF TV disappeared later in the evening too. > The antenna is surrounded by about 100 trees which probably doesn't help. GW4NOS was on, in S. Wales I think they had a nice, sunny day and G3XIZ also. > > Hugh, M0DSZ > john.rabson07@gmail.com Researching history of RABSON, BLACKSHAW, GAUNTLETT, VERLANDER and ROBSONNE