Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1002; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t9HGqr6i021588 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:52:53 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZnUgO-0002Xn-BY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 17:50:12 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZnUgO-0002Xe-1l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 17:50:12 +0100 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnUfO-0001cO-QS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 17:50:10 +0100 Received: from Clemens0811 ([79.237.131.74]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M3zne-1ado2C10Jm-00ra3a for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:48:58 +0200 From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <08B5A81DD2D14C84874DD10EEB145569@lindavideo> In-Reply-To: <08B5A81DD2D14C84874DD10EEB145569@lindavideo> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:48:57 +0200 Message-ID: <4DC3B18B20A94764A9ADCC2B5453447A@Clemens0811> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AdEI8jrofS1OgrXQQc+hTfBil0RwZAACHqRA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:pnfNJ15aAK5uhAvyho+jw5Mji6ICCDxF6l4pJSAfT2nEXiDtoG6 CLxTyU0/KVJDskwLpidY1KZIL8DKQa7ky/LKSBpIg+7plz8X03/ErI88mtSq/pFItGsiqf1 Z9Gm76WHcgT41SLZyYFYAYE1yO3mISnaOavaKRNzUVo5A0Ebhm98hOWgGtgXLuyQdag43jt ogoOO3N1WknafmcVJFzaw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:vaLjp/vKm2s=:2/cb4ZeG+aD17iN8jRL59J yiBPRY/MUo+o1F12/OYXJ1pSVuaz8lfTbQRgPPjBQ1VD7zwO6ErUg/x28UqnuTGqui9aeLbPU TjobUuS82RtWpENqmaUIbCrU5olOIKJa7ypfIUUy90QCNErlZftrojG1nDFvYqDLer2uJHPKe 8aZt1WyLhQqGkiAmjLnhar2LgQShMzhUm3ZbfsaB0Mny3mujpa4GkvlnSM3V+gLTisuBpv0wS AklsVOLVdFT7QAXzaw1zQ2cIiAPWn2w4qemxq35Ywe05EkzaDQKq2DKihonyh+5vl4aC23A13 9ODWRfsmjwRB99aSTJnlt2q/os1XkszqLpxa9SiqLHGt1SHCHC8UrLUDe7WKN1djdHzEiA0v8 12HsNUS+VS5fMeFkI3FslSHg1p/8o07LPjYp7Zvx8X4Whr5Y7/4WeIlQNOmIf/JccmoPzRWqh y0eY06M7y7X7cQXM0BYzgurGEwxVqjygYNRNN4UsdPdSGoZrgeebDq+iYi9BvvoTBfld1WmJD BO6lfe72zvJwfmnmigz/rL9twCTPanXvyoTxqX1IFLkBo41OKaETvWYjAG+DklehLppiI8Pcl dBiyW1dWvoPGV+FA0wXj9Y6TYT3KszhG/Nl5l/rpnq7WszOnfp3gmLRoy13TEmG/4JkXSk9K4 Feuyiz5quPHRVk4egXxSSP4Hg6kb03tYRONeVXRuDAGjYEMAXez7fBi/md7XAwktn06oZ2sf8 1RrSb+gCLDhwJfPbIY2Ix/IiJH+U6eNr7D/qsZGEyfM+WAGjzK+p6jMNsZDcTt9eggZFdZjTN iFdUCHa X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Subject: LF: RE: TX Toroid Material Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id t9HGqr6i021588 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4439 Hi Ken, I believe two of your component values are off. I calculate 201µH for the L next to the tubes,625pF for the shunt C and 1.1mH for the second L . For the 201µH L I would use iron powder (Amidon #2), for the 1.1mH #43 ferrite. Use the mini toroid calculator to find the appropiate size regarding number of turns and allowed flux with safety margin. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken >Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 5:41 PM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: LF: TX Toroid Material > >Dear All. I am having problems with the choice of material for >the output network of the 475kHz Valve TX. The network is an L >– C – L, ‘T’ network with an input impedance of 2100 ohms and >a load of 50 ohms, for this configuration the input L is >7.7mH, shunt capacitance is 117pf, and output L is 1.1mH. The >PA design using a 6146 low power or 813 high power work fine >when simulated using LT spice IV. When testing in the real >world using the 6146 there is in excess of 800v rms rf on the >network side of the anode coupling capacitor, but nothing >after the input L. I can only conclude that I using the wrong >type material for the toroids, I used the largest size >(unmarked) toroid which gave me a modest number of turns. I >have checked the Amidon tables and Iron Powder because of the >low AL values, which leaves Ferrite, which mix would you >recommend? The simulations give me output powers 90W for the >6146, and 300W for the 813. I would be grateful for any core >material advice . > > > >Ken Wright. > >M0KHW > > > >