Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1002; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,SUBJ_RE_NUM autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t9IHWuhi024376 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 19:32:56 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Znrj1-0001T8-FC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:26:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Znrj1-0001Sz-1R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:26:27 +0100 Received: from smarthost01a.mail.zen.net.uk ([212.23.1.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1Znrhw-0005dt-Qh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:26:25 +0100 Received: from [82.70.254.222] (helo=OfficeWin7.lan) by smarthost01a.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Znrhg-0006xr-9o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 17:25:04 +0000 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:25:04 +0100 From: Chris Wilson Organization: Gatesgarth Developments X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <258985778.20151018182504@chriswilson.tv> To: Mike Dennison In-Reply-To: <56238CD8.25442.8BA2C3@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> References: <858532982.20151012141313@chriswilson.tv>, <2880411444781466@web29g.yandex.ru>, <1466896910.20151017235733@chriswilson.tv> <56238CD8.25442.8BA2C3@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-smarthost01a-IP: [82.70.254.222] X-Scan-Signature: 4d97240a623a26620214cd27feaa9f71 Subject: Re[4]: LF: First LF TX's from 2E0ILY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4480 Hello Mike, Sunday, October 18, 2015 > Chris, > I have been following your exploits with getting going on LF > tramsmit. You certainly have a very good signal for the relatively > low RF input so there is actually not a lot wrong with what you are > doing. > The pictures (see below) reveal a few interesting things. The RF > voltage on your loading coil is likely to be quite high, so I would > advise you to move your matching transformer 6 inches or more further > away from it (eg to the edge of the dustbin). > I think you are too hung up on the perfect match to/from your coax. > Bear in mind that in comparison to the wavelength it is a =very= > short piece of cable. Note that 100m of coax at 136kHz equates to > about 100mm (4 inches) of coax on 2m. Obviously you need to take care > not to damage the PA, but I have always found that it is better to > tune for maximum smoke (sometimes literally - don't tell your wife!) > rather than agonise over impedance. Running low power, tune the > antenna for maximum RF current in the antenna wire, then alter your > matching, re-adjust for max current and compare. If it is worse, then > alter the matching in the opposite direction and repeat until you > can't get any more current. > If understand your remark: > "The little FT240-43 cored matching transformer is tapped either one > turn up from the earthy end or a slightly better match is found if I > tap *AT* the earthy end, which seems odd to me." > you get a good match with the coax apparently shorted out at the end. > Looking at the picture of your coil, you seem to have several 'one- > turn' loops around your matching/earthing circuitry and again it > would help to move these away from the coil a little to reduce > coupling. This may explain some of your odd effects as your RF > 'earth'.may be 'hotter' than you think. > Note that your antenna may well have an impedance fairly near 50-ohm > in any case - it is theoretically much lower but the environmental > losses will add a lot - so you could try (temporarily) using no > matching at all. As others have recommended, I prefer a proper > matching transformer rather than an auto-transformer, even when in my > case the ratio is almost 1:1. I see no difference in Tx or Rx (QRM) > performance between fully isolated or common eartth. > Another problem is your choice of FT240 material for your > transformer. This is not ideal for LF use - most specs do not > recommend it for use below 5MHz. Much more suitable is 3C90 which is > available from Farnell. An inefficient transformer may explain why > the RF prefers to couple to your coil through stray wiring instead. > . > This may also explain why your tuning is so sharp as the matching > transformer is not doing what you expect it to do. If, once the > matching is sorted out, the tuning is still sharp, simply reduce the > turns on the variometer, or use a smaller coil/variometer in series > to fine tune (I use 500mH). > Good luck. > Miike, G3XDV > ========== Major typo in my original post, the matching transformer was best tapped at, or one coil down from, the *LOADING* coil end, not the earthy send, sorry. I will assimilate and work on the good suggestions, divorce through the display of pyrotechnics be damned ;) Thank you Mike! I have yet another question, but will start a fresh thread. -- Best regards, Chris mailto:chris@chriswilson.tv