Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1170; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t83GJaX0023993 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 18:19:36 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZXXB4-0003v8-Bo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Sep 2015 17:15:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZXXB4-0003uz-0h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Sep 2015 17:15:54 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXXA0-0000cT-Oi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Sep 2015 17:15:52 +0100 Received: from AGB ([95.150.81.63]) by mwinf5d24 with ME id CgEV1r00N1My6Xz03gEV2G; Thu, 03 Sep 2015 18:14:32 +0200 X-ME-Helo: AGB X-ME-Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 18:14:32 +0200 X-ME-IP: 95.150.81.63 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB1B1E00EE@servigilant.vigilant.local> In-Reply-To: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB1B1E00EE@servigilant.vigilant.local> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 17:14:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Scan-Signature: eaf2c94dead786101818a7a2aa96a4c4 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Odd sunset captures Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01D0E66B.FE4A3670" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4028 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01D0E66B.FE4A3670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's interesting Luis ..one those . the kings not wearing = anything moment's jiji By the qrg 400k , this was a wspr 2 TX ? So the only way Stefan's call sign could be recovered is from = the look up table as part of a correlation process [ see other = linking posts] Its IMPOSSIBLE for Opera to produce such false Decode =20 But if you mean DYNAMIC Detection , has Ghosts , that's true for = any correlation system and the ghosts always take on real life = forms =20 However the Phantom , has provided a Time stamp Ghost Buster = validation system . something wspr cannot as it already uses the = web for time locking , oddly , accurate time is required for a = correlation system ... People are not too sure of the difference between Decode and = Detection , but those who do , like the extra dB's one gives = over the other =20 As I noted previously =20 ''no one minds a bit of the 'Old Jaspers' as long as its not take = too seriously''=20 6 meters is known as the Magic band , may be wspr should be the = 'Magic' Mode =20 73-G,=20 From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=E1ndez=20 Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 11:28 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: Odd sunset captures Hi Mike, MF >From my records last night, DK7FC was transmiting in 06-16-26-36 ... = periods, but not at 23:04 The locator shown in your decode is also wrong The closest frame to the time you decoded was at 23:06 2306 -21 -1.2 0.475684 0 DK7FC JN49 30 Not only Opera has its ghost ! ;-) PS: I'm QRV again. Back from a 15 days vacation trip 73 de Luis EA5DOM -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] En nombre de Michael Sapp Enviado el: jueves, 03 de septiembre de 2015 2:19 Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; lowfer@mailman.qth.net Asunto: LF: Odd sunset captures Hi All: I'm not sure what to think of this.... https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwnopmbl2fz5ye5/IMG_4537.JPG?dl=3D0 I have been experimenting with IF shifting my radio to get WG2XJM very = strong signal 10 to 13 dB down the IF bandpass curve to improve weak signal reception of other stations when Eric is = transmitting. Odd sunset partial captures appear to be transatlantic, but I am not sure about reality with this data. My = EWE antenna was configured to favor a SE direction, but with 120 degree 3dB beam width pattern it covers the NE as well. Long = distance transition zone propagation is a possibility, but I would be hesitant to claim it not having received correct grid square = information...... 73, Mike wa3tts ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01D0E66B.FE4A3670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's  interesting  Luis ..one  those  . = the =20 kings  not  wearing  anything   moment's =20 jiji
 
By the  qrg 400k  , this  was a  = wspr =20 2  TX ?
 
So the  only  way  Stefan's  call  = sign  could be  recovered   is from the  = look =20 up  table as  part of a  correlation  process [ see=20 other  linking posts]
 
Its  IMPOSSIBLE   for  = Opera =20 to  produce  such false  Decode  =
 
But if you  mean  DYNAMIC Detection =  ,=20 has  Ghosts ,  that's  true for  any  = correlation =20 system   and the  ghosts always  take on real = life =20 forms 
 
However the  Phantom , has  provided  a =20 Time  stamp   Ghost  Buster =20 validation  system  . something  wspr cannot as it  = already=20 uses the  web  for  time  locking , oddly ,=20 accurate  time is required for  a  correlation =20 system ...
 
People  are  not  too  sure  of the =20 difference  between  Decode  and=20 Detection  ,    but those  who do , = like=20 the  extra  dB's one  gives  over the  = other =20
 
As I  noted  previously 
 
''no  one minds a  bit of the   = 'Old=20 Jaspers'  as  long as its not take too  seriously''=20
 
6 meters  is  known as the  Magic  band ,  = may=20 be  wspr  should be   the  'Magic'  =20 Mode 
 
73-G,
 

From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=E1ndez
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 11:28 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: LF: RE: Odd sunset captures

Hi Mike, MF
 
From my records last night, DK7FC was transmiting = in=20 06-16-26-36 ... periods, but not at 23:04
The locator shown in your decode is also=20 wrong
 
The closest frame to the time you decoded was = at=20 23:06
2306 -21 = -1.2 0.475684 0=20 DK7FC JN49 30
 
Not=20 only Opera has its ghost ! ;-)
 
PS:=20 I'm QRV again. Back from a 15 days vacation trip
 
73 de=20 Luis
EA5DOM

De: = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] En nombre de Michael=20 Sapp
Enviado el: jueves, 03 de septiembre de 2015 = 2:19
Para:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; lowfer@mailman.qth.net
Asunto: = LF: Odd=20 sunset captures

Hi All: I'm not sure what to think of=20 this....
 
ht= tps://www.dropbox.com/s/xwnopmbl2fz5ye5/IMG_4537.JPG?dl=3D0
 
I have been experimenting with IF = shifting my radio=20 to get WG2XJM very strong signal 10 to 13 dB down the IF = bandpass
 
curve to improve weak signal reception = of other=20 stations when Eric is transmitting.  Odd sunset partial captures=20 appear
 
to be transatlantic, but I am not sure = about=20 reality with this data. My EWE antenna was configured to favor a SE = direction,=20 but with
 
120 degree 3dB beam width pattern it = covers the NE=20 as well.   Long distance transition zone propagation is a = possibility,=20 but I
 
would be hesitant to claim it not = having received=20 correct grid square information......
 
73, Mike = wa3tts
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