Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t8T9vqDu005810 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 11:57:52 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZgrcG-0008CT-Qp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 10:54:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZgrcG-0008CK-58 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 10:54:32 +0100 Received: from mail-wi0-f174.google.com ([209.85.212.174]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZgrbC-0004Ye-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 10:54:31 +0100 Received: by wicfx3 with SMTP id fx3so7487156wic.0 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 02:53:05 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=A2K1YYtDBRMufZDG4Qpnw6UVeQCCQF8xVcEfz+vaWd0=; b=hfRpdSDtqQNODZRgIhH8fwF+DMSosSoToTIKuQP9T5l/Cghm4dQlEVDc8b/naAXRaz AXer1NCRQ/OvfLRsxcCJog9A7VYC99AZOX8wM3o6oj3f5H7YpT9bsonCkIy6mRj9QUBb 0zfzbiwy6NUUmA553eQBar1sVjNxqss666PhpaOl1zLaywX/O1g1ormlwCFclfFocNVg I1ns3LKVH8Us1520uQBhL5Mlwyw+gITyzgN5/lF+ShyFhqtQa6I35AcwbztH6onPQDsf /dcOD09EL1O4jzA4NhGeQ0xwoRNzBH6LC5eNsk/pxZrLfXLzDg8666EbZ8k8o/xOK2KY xNog== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.178.196 with SMTP id da4mr32463146wjc.41.1443520384892; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 02:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.220.20 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 02:53:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB1B1EF64B@servigilant.vigilant.local> <9E22D5EFF00D4A03B90E508E5DA3811E@AGB> <6AEC4F77D42B410A93A8CBD356126A83@AGB> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 11:53:04 +0200 Message-ID: From: Iban Cardona To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: 9473a6b6150edcbf389a1769b0fe4327 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013d18cac484c60520dfc781 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4198 --089e013d18cac484c60520dfc781 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham, First I have to say that I live in a small town and is quiet zone. And at home and my shack I cleaned all my RFI. The loop es bit more quiet and directive, then the signals should be over from 2 or 4dB better than the mini-whip in all the periods at 477k. In some cases make the difference to receive or not receive some station. The active-antenna.eu loop have different setups. Currently I'm using a single loop of two meters of diameter, using 1/2 inch coax. It is located at the same height and zone of the mini-whip. But need test another loop setups and sizes. I have to test the vertical symmetrical short dipole too. At 136 is working better the mini-whip, because as the loop is oriented to Europa I'm loosing the VO1NA QRSS. I need more time to see what is better at 136, and tests another setups too. What is better? Not easy to say... the loop works better, but not is omnidirectional and can lose some stations. 73! Iban eb3frn On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 1:43 AM, Graham wrote: > Ok Iban, > > The question is , which is the best ? difficult , both have the > same s/n , may be the mini-whip ? as same s/n , more % fade , > [more dropped bits] peak signal must be higher ? or the qsb deeper= ? > > 73-G, > > > > > *From:* Iban Cardona > *Sent:* Monday, September 28, 2015 8:04 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 > dB1489.0 Hz > > Hi, Graaham > > this the edata: > > EB3FRN Afredi netsdr + 2mt active loop > EB3FRN-1 ICOM R9000 + mini-whip > > 73! Iban > eb3frn > > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Graham wrote: > >> >> -1 Rx ? >> >> * 18:51 477 PA3ABK de EB3FRN Op8 759 mi -30 dB F:13% in MONTBRIO 1503.9 >> Hz with 0.5w + Marconi lin. loaded top 45m total 18:51 477 PA3ABK de >> EB3FRN-1 Op8 759 mi -30 dB F:17% in MONTBRIO 1501.5 Hz with 0.5w + Marco= ni >> lin. loaded top 45m total* >> >> >> >> *From:* Graham >> *Sent:* Monday, September 28, 2015 6:37 PM >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 >> dB1489.0 Hz >> >> Ok Luis >> >> Yes , had to be something 'loopy' going on , from the levels , 25 >> watts should do the job then , was the level 16 watts before ? >> >> GL with the vertical , if its locations is where I think it will >> be : -) you may not need the variometer , just a tapped coil and = a >> var-capacitor from a old valve Rx >> >> Are you still sending opera/wspr ? or just OP8 , no wspr spots >> showing during daylight to day ? >> >> 73-G, >> >> >> 2015-09-28 07:00 EA5DOM 0.475613 -28 0 IM98wn 0.002 EB3FRN >> JN01mc 300 19 2015-09-28 02:00 EA5DOM 0.475612 -25 0 >> IM98wn 0.002 EB3FRN JN01mc 300 19 2015-09-28 01:48 EA5DOM >> 0.475612 -24 0 IM98wn 0.002 EB3FRN JN01mc 300 19 2015= -09-28 >> 01:36 EA5DOM 0.475612 -25 0 IM98wn 0.002 EB3FRN JN01mc >> 300 19 2015-09-28 01:00 EA5DOM 0.475613 -26 0 IM98wn >> 0.002 EB3FRN JN01mc 300 19 2015-09-27 23:12 EA5DOM >> 0.475613 -25 0 IM98wn 0.002 EB3FRN JN01mc 300 19 2015= -09-27 >> 22:48 EA5DOM 0.475613 -26 0 IM98wn 0.002 EB3FRN JN01mc >> 300 19 2015-09-27 22:36 EA5DOM 0.475613 -26 0 IM98wn >> 0.002 EB3FRN JN01mc 300 19 2015-09-27 21:24 EA5DOM >> 0.475613 -27 0 IM98wn 0.002 EB3FRN JN01mc 300 19 2015= -09-27 >> 18:48 EA5DOM 0.475617 -25 0 IM98wn 0.002 EB3FRN JN01mc >> 300 19 >> >> *From:* VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez >> *Sent:* Monday, September 28, 2015 4:02 PM >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Subject:* RE: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 >> dB1489.0 Hz >> >> Hi Graham >> >> The answer is ... QRO :) >> >> I'm running the 100w PA made by Fausto IK4NMF. Not big signal increase i= n >> local (7km) decodes but >> clear difference at 300Km as seen by EB3FRN >> >> After improving loop matching, PA works at full power. Fortunately Opera= 8 >> keeps the PA almost cold >> while a single WSPR-2 period is a real stress test. Loop match is >> still far from perfect and stressing >> full power modes are not wellcome with this setup >> >> As Stefan told, keeping the loop tuned is an endless task and not the wa= y >> to go for QRO/Dx >> Even worse for a flat horizontal loop like mine >> >> Next in the list is going vertical. Coil and variometer on the way. Keep >> tuned ;-) >> >> 73 de Luis >> EA5DOM >> >> Audacity of it , in board daylight as well >> >> These are all well above the Dynamic switch over level , Q question >> for the propagation dep't , what's changed ? >> local decode levels still -5/-6 dB , but that path is upto 6 dB >> less attenuation [ opera > dynamic s/n still average and same >> calibration] >> >> 73-G, >> >> * 14:32 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -28 dB F:11% in MONTBRIO 1482.9 Hz* >> >> * 14:20 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -27 dB F:8% in MONTBRIO 1482.7 Hz* >> >> * 14:08 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -29 dB F:8% in MONTBRIO 1482.9 Hz* >> >> * 13:56 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 186 mi -28 dB F:8% in MONTBRIO 1482.4 H= z >> 13:56 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 4 mi -6 dB F:14% in Albir 1479,5 Hz* >> >> * 12:44 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:9% in Albir 1479,5 Hz 12:44 >> 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -30 dB F:13% in MONTBRIO 1482.7 Hz* >> *From:* Iban Cardona >> *Sent:* Sunday, September 27, 2015 1:08 AM >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 >> dB1489.0 Hz >> >> Hi, Graham >> >> copying to G6AVK too, with nice signals >> >> 23:05 477 G6AVK Op8 1503.9 Hz -25 dB Fade: 2% >> >> I attach a pict from my grabber where can see EA5DOM and G6AVK at the >> same time >> >> >> 73! Iban >> eb3frn >> >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Graham wrote: >> >>> True Luis , just like just like VW 'crazy' code :- ) >>> >>> Good signals in the night to EB3FRM ! >>> >>> 73-G, >>> >>> EA5DOM de SWL-EB3FRN (Spain): Op8 F:25% -28 dB in MONTBRIO 1489.0 Hz >>> >>> EA5DOM de SWL-EB3FRN (Spain): Op8 F:12% -32 dB in MONTBRIO 1488.5 Hz >>> >>> >>> *From:* VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez >>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 26, 2015 4:18 PM >>> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> *Subject:* LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 >>> dB1489.0 Hz >>> >>> You catched me Graham ! ;-) >>> >>> Running the horizontal loop again. Better matching to the PA than >>> before, but only 8W now >>> >>> I have continued Txing WSPR and Opera8 during daylight hours. Nothing o= n >>> WSPR-2 at EB3FRN >>> but Opera is decodable at Deep Search. Turned on my monitor to confirm >>> the spots and then >>> the Deep Search spots marked as "??" go without question marks >>> >>> 12:59 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -34 dB in MONTBRIO 1488.8 >>> Hz >>> 12:58 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:13% in Albir >>> 12:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search ?? -36 dB in MONTBRIO >>> 1488.8 Hz >>> 12:23 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search ?? -36 dB in MONTBRIO >>> 1488.8 Hz >>> 11:59 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search ?? -35 dB in MONTBRIO >>> 1488.8 Hz >>> >>> Big difference over WSPR-2 and even taking in consideration the higer >>> QRM at EB3FRN >>> during daylight hours >>> >>> 73 de Luis >>> EA5DOM >>> ------------------------------ >>> *De:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ >>> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] en nombre de Graham [ >>> g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] >>> *Enviado:* s=C3=A1bado, 26 de septiembre de 2015 1:40 >>> *Para:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> *Asunto:* LF: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 H= z >>> >>> Jump in Opera activity to day , with excellent conditions on 14 MHz >>> UK/EU<>VK >>> >>> >>> LF/MF - Note the PSK map ONLY shows opera data decodes , Dynamic >>> spots are routed via the Opera APP >>> >>> >>> Good demonstration of running a local ' Rx on LF and MF by EA5DOM , >>> only reaching EB3FRN in Dynamic , but validated by the local off air ti= me >>> stamp and recovered average frequency , within 200 mHz , -36 dB is abou= t >>> the lower limit for op8D >>> >>> >>> 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz >>> >>> 23:34 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:1%_End in Albir >>> >>> 23:23 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB in1488.8 Hz >>> >>> 23:22 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:1%_End in Albir >>> 23:11 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB in MONTBRIO 1488.8 Hz >>> 23:10 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:2% in Albir >>> >>> >>> Dynamic spots not showing >>> >>> >>> 21:24 136 RN3AGC de G3XDV Op32 Deep Search -42 dB in Welwyn 1535.8 H= z >>> >>> 20:42 136 G3XDV de EW6BN Op32 Deep Search 1204 mi -42 dB >>> >>> 20:37 136 IZ7SLZ de SV8RV-4 Op32 Deep Search -41 dB >>> >>> 20:37 136 IZ7SLZ de G4WGT Op32 Deep Search -42 dB >>> >>> 20:37 136 IZ7SLZ de SV8RV-1 Op32 Deep Search -42 d >>> >>> >>> >>> 73-G, >>> >> >> > --089e013d18cac484c60520dfc781 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham,

First I have to say= that I live in a small town and is quiet zone. And at home and my shack I = cleaned all my RFI.

The loop es bit more quiet and directive, then t= he signals should be=20 over from 2 or 4dB better than the mini-whip in all the periods at 477k.=20 In some cases make the difference to receive or not receive some=20 station.

The active-antenna.eu= loop have different setups. Currently I'm using a single loop of two meters of diameter, using 1/2 inch coax. It=20 is located at the same height=C2=A0 and zone of the mini-whip. But need tes= t another loop setups and sizes. I have to test the vertical symmetrical sh= ort dipole too.

At 136 is working better the mini-whip, b= ecause as the loop is oriented to Europa I'm loosing the VO1NA QRSS. I = need more time to see what is better at 136, and tests another setups too.<= br>
What is better? Not easy to say... the loop works better,= but not is omnidirectional and can lose some stations.

7= 3! Iban
eb3frn






On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 1:43 AM, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsne= t.co.uk> wrote:
Ok=C2=A0 Iban,
=C2=A0
The=C2=A0 question=C2=A0 is , which is the=C2=A0 best=C2=A0 ? difficul= t=20 ,=C2=A0 both=C2=A0 have the=C2=A0 same=C2=A0 s/n=C2=A0 ,=C2=A0=C2=A0 may=20 be=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 mini-whip=C2=A0 ? as=C2=A0=C2=A0 same=C2=A0 s/n=C2=A0 , = more=20 % fade , [more dropped bits]=C2=A0 peak=C2=A0 signal=C2=A0 must be=C2=A0=20 higher=C2=A0 ?=C2=A0 or the=C2=A0 qsb deeper ?
=C2=A0
73-G,
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0

Hi, Graaham

this the edata:

EB3FRN Afredi netsdr + 2mt active loop=C2=A0=20
EB3FRN-1 ICOM R9000 + mini-whip

73! Iban
eb3frn


On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Graham <= g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
=C2=A0
-1=C2=A0 Rx ?

18:51 477 PA3ABK de EB3FRN Op8 759 mi -30 dB F:13% in MONTBRIO 1503.9 = Hz=20 with 0.5w + Marconi lin. loaded top 45m total

18:51 477 PA3ABK de EB3FRN-1 Op8 759 mi -30 dB F:17% in MONTBRIO 1501.= 5 Hz=20 with 0.5w + Marconi lin. loaded top 45m total

=C2=A0
=C2=A0

From: Graham
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Sear= ch=20 -36 dB1489.0 Hz

Ok Luis
=C2=A0
Yes , had to be something=C2=A0 'loopy' going=C2=A0 on , fro= m the=C2=A0=20 levels ,=C2=A0 25 watts=C2=A0 should=C2=A0 do=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 job then , = was=20 the=C2=A0 level=C2=A0 16=C2=A0 watts=C2=A0 before ?
=C2=A0
GL with the=C2=A0 vertical ,=C2=A0 if its=C2=A0 locations is=C2=A0= =20 where=C2=A0 I think=C2=A0 it=C2=A0 will=C2=A0 be : -)=C2=A0=C2=A0 you=C2= =A0=20 may not=C2=A0 need=C2=A0 the variometer , just a=C2=A0 tapped=C2=A0 coil= =20 and=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 var-capacitor from a=C2=A0 old=C2=A0 valve Rx
=C2=A0
Are you still=C2=A0 sending=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 opera/wspr=C2=A0 ?=C2= =A0=20 or=C2=A0 just=C2=A0 OP8=C2=A0, no=C2=A0 wspr spots showing during=20 daylight=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 day ?
=C2=A0
73-G,
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
2015-09-28 07:00=C2=A0 =C2=A0EA5DOM=C2=A0 =C2=A00.475613=C2=A0 =C2=A0-28=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0IM98wn=C2=A0 =C2=A00.002=C2=A0 =C2=A0EB3FRN=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN01mc=C2=A0 =C2=A0300=C2=A0 =C2=A019=C2=A0
=C2=A02015-09-28 02:00=C2=A0 =C2=A0EA5DOM=C2=A0 =C2=A00.475612=C2=A0 =C2=A0-25=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0IM98wn=C2=A0 =C2=A00.002=C2=A0 =C2=A0EB3FRN=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN01mc=C2=A0 =C2=A0300=C2=A0 =C2=A019=C2=A0
=C2=A02015-09-28 01:48=C2=A0 =C2=A0EA5DOM=C2=A0 =C2=A00.475612=C2=A0 =C2=A0-24=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0IM98wn=C2=A0 =C2=A00.002=C2=A0 =C2=A0EB3FRN=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN01mc=C2=A0 =C2=A0300=C2=A0 =C2=A019=C2=A0
=C2=A02015-09-28 01:36=C2=A0 =C2=A0EA5DOM=C2=A0 =C2=A00.475612=C2=A0 =C2=A0-25=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0IM98wn=C2=A0 =C2=A00.002=C2=A0 =C2=A0EB3FRN=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN01mc=C2=A0 =C2=A0300=C2=A0 =C2=A019=C2=A0
=C2=A02015-09-28 01:00=C2=A0 =C2=A0EA5DOM=C2=A0 =C2=A00.475613=C2=A0 =C2=A0-26=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0IM98wn=C2=A0 =C2=A00.002=C2=A0 =C2=A0EB3FRN=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN01mc=C2=A0 =C2=A0300=C2=A0 =C2=A019=C2=A0
=C2=A02015-09-27 23:12=C2=A0 =C2=A0EA5DOM=C2=A0 =C2=A00.475613=C2=A0 =C2=A0-25=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0IM98wn=C2=A0 =C2=A00.002=C2=A0 =C2=A0EB3FRN=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN01mc=C2=A0 =C2=A0300=C2=A0 =C2=A019=C2=A0
=C2=A02015-09-27 22:48=C2=A0 =C2=A0EA5DOM=C2=A0 =C2=A00.475613=C2=A0 =C2=A0-26=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0IM98wn=C2=A0 =C2=A00.002=C2=A0 =C2=A0EB3FRN=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN01mc=C2=A0 =C2=A0300=C2=A0 =C2=A019=C2=A0
=C2=A02015-09-27 22:36=C2=A0 =C2=A0EA5DOM=C2=A0 =C2=A00.475613=C2=A0 =C2=A0-26=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0IM98wn=C2=A0 =C2=A00.002=C2=A0 =C2=A0EB3FRN=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN01mc=C2=A0 =C2=A0300=C2=A0 =C2=A019=C2=A0
=C2=A02015-09-27 21:24=C2=A0 =C2=A0EA5DOM=C2=A0 =C2=A00.475613=C2=A0 =C2=A0-27=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0IM98wn=C2=A0 =C2=A00.002=C2=A0 =C2=A0EB3FRN=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN01mc=C2=A0 =C2=A0300=C2=A0 =C2=A019=C2=A0
=C2=A02015-09-27 18:48=C2=A0 =C2=A0EA5DOM=C2=A0 =C2=A00.475617=C2=A0 =C2=A0-25=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0IM98wn=C2=A0 =C2=A00.002=C2=A0 =C2=A0EB3FRN=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN01mc=C2=A0 =C2=A0300=C2=A0 =C2=A019= =C2=A0

Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 4:02 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Sear= ch=20 -36 dB1489.0 Hz

Hi=20 Graham
=C2=A0
The answer=20 is ... QRO :)
=C2=A0
I'm=C2=A0running the 100w PA made by Fausto IK4NMF. Not = big signal=20 increase in local (7km)=C2=A0decodes but
clear=20 difference at 300Km as seen by EB3FRN
=C2=A0
After=20 improving loop matching, PA=C2=A0works at full power.=C2=A0Fortunately Op= era8=20 keeps the PA almost cold
while a=20 single WSPR-2 period is a real stress test.=C2=A0Loop match=C2=A0is=20 still=C2=A0far from=C2=A0perfect and stressing
full power=20 modes are not wellcome=C2=A0with this setup=C2=A0
=C2=A0
As Stefan to= ld, keeping the=20 loop tuned is an endless task and not the way to go for=20 QRO/Dx
Even worse f= or a flat=20 horizontal loop like mine
=C2=A0
Next in the = list is going=20 vertical. Coil and variometer on the way. Keep tuned ;-)
=C2=A0
73 de Luis
EA5DOM
=C2=A0
=C2=A0Audacity=C2=A0 of it , in board daylight =C2=A0 a= s=20 well
=C2=A0
These are all=C2=A0 well=C2=A0 above the=C2=A0 Dynamic switch over l= evel=20 , Q question=C2=A0 for the=C2=A0 propagation dep't =C2=A0, what's= =C2=A0=20 changed=C2=A0?
local decode=C2=A0 levels=C2=A0 still=C2=A0 -5/-6 dB=C2=A0 , but=20 that=C2=A0 path is=C2=A0 upto=C2=A0 6 dB=C2=A0 less attenuation [ opera &= gt;=20 dynamic=C2=A0 s/n still=C2=A0 average=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 same calibration]
=C2=A0
73-G,

14:32 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -28 dB F:11% in MONTBRIO 1482.9=20 Hz

14:20 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -27 dB F:8% in MONTBRIO 1482.7=20 Hz

14:08 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -29 dB F:8% in MONTBRIO 1482.9=20 Hz

13:56 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 186 mi -28 dB F:8% in MONTBRIO 1482.4 H= z

13:56 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 4 mi -6 dB F:14% in Albir 1479,5=20 Hz

12:44 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:9% in Albir 1479,5 Hz

12:44 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -30 dB F:13% in MONTBRIO 1482.7=20 Hz


Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 1:08 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Sear= ch=20 -36 dB1489.0 Hz

Hi, Graham=20

copying to G6AVK too, with nice signals

23:05 =C2=A0 =C2=A0477 G6AVK Op8 1503.9 Hz -25 dB Fade: 2%

I attach a pict from my grabber where can see EA5DOM and G6AVK at th= e=20 same time


73! Iban
eb3frn



On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
True Luis=C2=A0 , just like=C2=A0=C2=A0just like=C2=A0 VW 'cra= zy'=20 code=C2=A0 :- )
=C2=A0
=C2=A0Good signals=C2=A0 in the=C2=A0 night=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 EB3FRM= =20 !
=C2=A0
73-G,

EA5DOM de SWL-EB3FRN (Spain): Op8 F:25% -2= 8 dB in MONTBRIO=20 1489.0 Hz

EA5DOM de SWL-EB3FRN (Spain): Op8 F:12% -3= 2 dB in MONTBRIO=20 1488.5 Hz

=C2=A0

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 4:18 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search= -36=20 dB1489.0 Hz

You catched me Graham ! ;-)

Running the horizontal loop again. Better matching to the PA than= =20 before, but only 8W now

I have continued Txing WSPR and Opera8 during daylight hours. Noth= ing=20 on WSPR-2 at EB3FRN
but Opera is decodable at Deep Search. Turned on my monitor to con= firm=20 the spots and then
the Deep Search spots marked as "??" go without question= marks

12:59 =C2=A0 =C2=A0477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -34 dB in= =20 MONTBRIO 1488.8 Hz
12:58 =C2=A0 =C2=A0477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:13% in=20 Albir
12:35 =C2=A0 =C2=A0477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search ?? -36 dB = in=20 MONTBRIO 1488.8 Hz
12:23 =C2=A0 =C2=A0477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search ?? -36 dB = in=20 MONTBRIO 1488.8 Hz
11:59 =C2=A0 =C2=A0477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search ?? -35 dB = in=20 MONTBRIO 1488.8 Hz

Big difference over WSPR-2 and even taking in consideration the hi= ger=20 QRM at EB3FRN
during daylight hours

73 de Luis
EA5DOM
De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org] en nombre de Graham=20 [g8fzk@g8f= zk.fsnet.co.uk]
Enviado: s=C3=A1bado, 26 de=20 septiembre de 2015 1:40
Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
A= sunto: LF: 23:35=20 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz

Jump=20 in Opera activity to =C2=A0day , =C2=A0with excellent conditions on =C2= =A0=20 14 MHz =C2=A0UK/EU<>VK =C2=A0


LF/MF - Note the =C2=A0PSK=20 map =C2=A0ONLY shows =C2=A0opera =C2=A0data =C2=A0decodes , Dynamic spo= ts=20 are =C2=A0routed via the =C2=A0Opera APP=C2=A0


Good=20 demonstration of running a local ' Rx =C2=A0on LF and MF =C2=A0by E= A5DOM ,=20 only reaching EB3FRN in Dynamic , but validated by the local off air ti= me=20 stamp and recovered average frequency , within 200 mHz , -36 dB is abou= t the=20 =C2=A0lower limit for =C2=A0op8D


23:35=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz

23:34=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:1%_End in Albir

23:23 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN=20 Op8 Deep Search -36 dB in1488.8 Hz

23:22=20 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:1%_End in Albir
23:11 477 EA5DOM = de=20 EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB in MONTBRIO 1488.8 Hz
23:10 477= =20 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:2% in Albir


Dynamic=20 spots not =C2=A0showing=C2=A0


21:24=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0136 RN3AGC de G3XDV Op32 Deep Search -42 dB in Welwyn 1535= .8=20 Hz

20:42=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0136 G3XDV de EW6BN Op32 Deep Search 1204 mi -42=20 dB=C2=A0

20:37=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0136 IZ7SLZ de SV8RV-4 Op32 Deep Search -41 dB=C2=A0

20:37=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0136 IZ7SLZ de G4WGT Op32 Deep Search -42 dB=C2=A0

20:37=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0136 IZ7SLZ de SV8RV-1 Op32 Deep Search -42 d

=C2=A0

73-G,


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