Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t8PBSW57028731 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 13:28:32 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZfR7S-0004EF-Te for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:24:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZfR7S-0004E6-I1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:24:50 +0100 Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com ([209.85.212.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZfR6a-00073C-Fo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:24:49 +0100 Received: by wicgb1 with SMTP id gb1so16023459wic.1 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 04:23:40 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iz+FufKn20BLtPzwRG4v4yz6K0CtPwQt3mfPvzMS7i4=; b=F1LtharRc6TESsNMaBo1QohhF0r4F94GhgPVEfIxgDOlpqarTUkFJ1NBAJRzoEy1w4 JC5EH2ScY/aZ2THKdbogFRqBN42lQWKOrOnSDEwpk68vtD+yHQPdGLreNIR+wkvNFg05 mb1Kam2d6o847A5A4Xh2QJwYqpcUgHfdRFFlKkjb6YRaLuS/+/Ww5cOZJkU6kEgEIaVr 5PkrKatSPzIdPc64UKRDbQ59O6USzC0plUXXg6FJnVp24UkY7Cdwm7cQtbCwAov5JXi5 ZrZKOUEGwUlL1LMoxW9VxrK235iSbszwyATRbUTheDtAXECnA9wLA9dT7dDAEUjrEymu zZuA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.188.169 with SMTP id gb9mr3011292wic.72.1443180220311; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 04:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.47.212 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 04:23:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5601EC9F.2010607@gmail.com> References: <5601EC9F.2010607@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:23:40 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: ab7de7439a3fce0b74220375dc6f18e8 Subject: Re: LF: Coherent BPSK on LF using EbNaut Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c26bb860eef605209094a1 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4141 --001a11c26bb860eef605209094a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 EbAnut is a new one here - I hadn't heard of it. After Googling I found the page and read up / downloaded the software. Unfortunately, I see it is not standalone, and requires Spectrum lab to act as the audio "front end" to take in the Received audio, downconvert to a baseband I/Q and store that as a .WAV file. So downloaded Spectrum lab and tying to wade through how to use that. Could you perhaps give a short cut simple explanation of how to set up Spectrum lab to do that - it looks to be a very complex bit of software to drive. the EbNaut Tx and Rx programmes, in contrast, look very simple to use and it would be goo dto get more people using sensitive coherent signalling such as this. Some years ago I proposed GPS / UTC seconds locked coherent signalling on LF, but didn't have the expertise to write the software - and certainly not to implement strong FEC ! Andy G4JNT On 23 September 2015 at 01:04, IZ7SLZ wrote: > Hello LF, > > I am pleased to report a successful "Coherent BPSK" QSO between DF6NM and > IZ7SLZ on LF using EbNaut program of Paul Nicholson. > QSO took place in the night between Friday 2015-09-18 and Saturday > 2015-09-19 . > > I think it was the first time that anyone tried this on 137 kHz ! > > Frequencies used were 137510.00 Hz (DF6NM) and 137502.12 (IZ7SLZ). > > We exchange messages of 16 characters in coherent BPSK with UT synchronous > symbols, using a symbol period of 1 second and 8K19A scheme coding. > > Software used were the Windows' versions of EbNaut-TX and EbNaut-RX (tnx > to P. Nicholson: your software is working without problems!). > Also Spectrum Lab (tnx Wolf !) was used to export FFT data, in a similar > way of the Markus' OPDS setup. > Other programs, written by Markus, were used: one to convert FFT > exported data for the EbNaut entry and another to search for the best > frequency and time offsets. > > There was not much phase drift during the qso and in other test > transmissions, since we reach a good frequency stability at both ends > thanks to Rubidium Reference Oscillator (Markus side) and a good quality > OCXO from my side. > > You can see reported symbol / carrier EbN0 and also the messages > exchanged, in the attached screen-shots taken at both ends. > > We hope now to joint other stations that want to challenge the timing and > frequency accuracy, to have a QSO in LF close to the Shannon limit. > > Markus DF6NM, will report soon all particulars and his comments of the > experiment. Thanks in advance Markus! > > 73, Domenico (iz7slz) > > > > --001a11c26bb860eef605209094a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EbAnut is a new one here - I hadn't heard of it.= =C2=A0=C2=A0 After Googling I found the page and read up / downloaded the s= oftware.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Unfortunately, I see it is not standalone, and require= s Spectrum lab to act as the audio "front end" to take in the Rec= eived audio, downconvert to a baseband I/Q and store that as a .WAV file.= =C2=A0=C2=A0 So downloaded Spectrum lab and tying to wade through how to us= e that.

Could you perhaps give a short cut simple = explanation of how to set up Spectrum lab to do that - it looks to be a ver= y complex bit of software to drive.
the EbNaut Tx and Rx programm= es, in contrast, look very simple to use and it would be goo dto get more p= eople using sensitive coherent signalling such as this.

Some years ago I proposed GPS / UTC seconds locked coherent signallin= g on LF, but didn't have the expertise to write the software - and cert= ainly not to implement strong FEC !

Andy=C2=A0 G4J= NT


On 23 September 2015 at 01:04, IZ7SLZ <iz7slz.domenico@gma= il.com> wrote:
Hello LF,

I am pleased to report a successful "Coherent BPSK" QSO between D= F6NM and IZ7SLZ on LF using EbNaut program of Paul Nicholson.
QSO took place in the night between Friday 2015-09-18 and Saturday 2015-09-= 19 .

I think it was the first time that anyone tried this on 137 kHz !

Frequencies used were 137510.00 Hz (DF6NM) and 137502.12 (IZ7SLZ).

We exchange messages of 16 characters in coherent BPSK with UT synchronous = symbols, using a symbol period of 1 second and 8K19A scheme coding.

Software used were the Windows' versions of EbNaut-TX and EbNaut-RX (tn= x to P. Nicholson: your software is working without problems!).
Also Spectrum Lab (tnx Wolf !) was used to export FFT data, in a similar wa= y of the Markus' OPDS setup.
Other programs,=C2=A0 written by Markus,=C2=A0 were used: one=C2=A0 to conv= ert FFT exported data for the EbNaut entry and another to search for the be= st frequency and time offsets.

There was not much phase drift during the qso and in other test transmissio= ns, since we reach a good frequency stability at both ends thanks to Rubidi= um Reference Oscillator (Markus side) and a good quality OCXO from my side.=

You can see reported symbol / carrier EbN0 and also the messages exchanged,= =C2=A0 in the attached screen-shots taken at both ends.

We hope now to joint other stations that want to challenge the timing and f= requency accuracy, to have a QSO in LF close to the Shannon limit.

Markus DF6NM, will report soon all particulars and his comments of the expe= riment. Thanks in advance Markus!

73, Domenico (iz7slz)




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