Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t8EAo35J027739 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 12:50:03 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZbRHw-0006If-Ua for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:47:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZbRHw-0006IW-LV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:47:08 +0100 Received: from rgout04.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.181]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbRGx-0000yj-SA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:47:07 +0100 X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.135.161.143 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-RazorGate-Suspect: true X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A090203.55F6A55D.00B5,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown Received: from gnat (86.135.161.143) by rgout04.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (8.6.122.06) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 55F2E8B3005AE0CD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:45:15 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1442227533; bh=+rZ4fSQjFmVC9F4IJ1Uzn/YiqIt1dJOdxej/dablTJ0=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=JfS/Y7ZlLyMsnH68wVIss63fV73cHvhwN2jEvH4SBAQg9VBnhIOYRrOgYTzBM6s5eGRWNibksLhkdD0ptwi9U8uRFOPU8ntKBZj7mCPy5xsSwtDOPhkIyMAGXbq2nf7oixGiiQB5j6fIHaqACEQbhzjzMphTILBSDQ2eykxKrT4= Message-ID: <7C54587D33CC4247ABA746A1536B23AA@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <1442168945.16595.YahooMailBasic@web173003.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <55F5E63F.6090409@posteo.de> <1014ADBF-6AB7-48A5-B96C-F668B9F8592B@talktalk.net> <142842C26C0A45DF90D3CE51CCF645A3@gnat> <5A15573A-C2AA-4C94-9D98-9DF0F1852957@talktalk.net> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:37:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: 118b9e608370528226a3c3b3aedcdda0 Subject: Re: LF: Facebook LF/MF Amateur Radio Group Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4078 Hi Mal, I accept you definition, but democracy considers the "majority" of the eligible voters not the the just the activists, but it takes note of the concerns of the minorities and activists :-)) My major concern is that if the spammers decide to register as they do regularly on Yahoo Groups there wiill be no way of stopping the flow of spam and nasties to members, because there are no moderators. This could destroy Blacksheep. We have been lucky so far! hopefully it will continue that way. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mal Hamilton" To: Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 2:03 AM Subject: Re: LF: Facebook LF/MF Amateur Radio Group Yahoo was not requested by the majority of Active LF operators at the time but by a few trying to impose their will on others that were content with blacksheep and still are I do not want my LF/MF information stored on yahoo or twitter or Facebook for ever. There is an abundance of information available about LF/MF from various other sources going back BC G3KEV Sent from my iPhone On 14 Sep 2015, at 00:49, "Alan Melia" wrote: > No Mal we didn't "try" to close it, we would have succeeded only if > everyone had > accepted the Yahoo Group requested by the majority but some refused so > following the concensus it was left running on the proviso that if it > crashed it could not be restarted because we have no access to the server. > The old software has proved robust :-)) and with the threat of Yahoo > behind > it Blacksheep has continued to operate. It has been live for 20 years > now!! > That is from before many of the Groups and Lists even started,which is why > it is a simple text-based system. > > We repeat we cannot do anything about its operation or maintenance, it > will > remain there as long as the hardware and software keep running. Sadly for > new LFers all the wisdom of the years is lost, because Blacksheep has no > archive, one of the main reasons there was a movement towards Yahoo. > > Alan > G3NYK. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mal Hamilton" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:04 AM > Subject: Re: LF: Facebook LF/MF Amateur Radio Group > > > Blacksheep lives on I am pleased to say > Some tried to close it down a few years ago and failed > > De G3KEV > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 13 Sep 2015, at 22:10, DK7FC wrote: > >> Blacksheep, the beauty of simplicity :-) >> >> 73! >> >> Am 13.09.2015 20:29, schrieb M0FMT: >>> Hi all >>> >>> I think we got it wrong with Yahoo which I thought was a good idea at >>> the >>> time, may be Face Book is a mode too far as well..... this works. >>> >>> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > >