Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1170; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t8TD9fCg006391 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 15:09:41 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Zgubr-0000du-CH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:06:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Zgubr-0000dl-4I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:06:19 +0100 Received: from lb3-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net ([194.109.24.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1Zguar-0005BV-AW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:06:17 +0100 Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([83.162.220.82]) by smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net with ESMTP id P1521r00N1nG4D701154m3; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 15:05:04 +0200 From: roelof@ndb.demon.nl To: "Alan Melia" , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 15:05:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <560A8C7E.27027.38EA9D@roelof.ndb.demon.nl> In-reply-to: <303E79ED08714B6EA8827B2A47AB88A0@gnat> References: <453589076.20150929131349@chriswilson.tv>, <303E79ED08714B6EA8827B2A47AB88A0@gnat> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.70) Content-description: Mail message body X-Scan-Signature: 086f3faad0220c9ae57a7913e711a86d Subject: Re: LF: Re: Active antennas on 136kHz, additional wire needed? Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id t8TD9fCg006391 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4204 Hello Chris, The "PCB-antenna" is equivalent to a 1 feet rod and though counter intuitive, adding one won't help. As with all active whip designs, at VLF / LF / MW and lower HF the whip is NOT the antenna. How the pa0rdt-Mini-Whip© works, can be found here: http://wwwhome.cs.utwente.nl/~ptdeboer/ham/tn/tn07.html Though some knowledgeable people don't agree, I have put the theory to the test and build a battery powered mini-whip with the battery included in the antenna housing. The rf was transported by a optical fibre link. The antenna was mounted on a non conducting fibre glass pole. Nothing was received at all with this set up, until I put a coax cable up the mast ending 5 cm below the antenna. There was no connection between this cable and the circuit board, whatsoever. The shield of the coax cable was connected to a ground stake at the bottom of the mast and it provided the necessary ground reference for the ohterwise isolated antenna. I hope this helps. 73, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt N.B. Rather than building one for one's own use, which is no problem at all, I am sorry to find that some people are making money from a copywrighted design. (Readily build antennas are available from the designer for those unable or unwilling to build one.)