Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t8QDNJOS031411 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 15:23:19 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZfpMl-0007Oz-Cd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 14:18:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZfpMl-0007Oq-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 14:18:15 +0100 Received: from parrot.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZfpLq-0003ng-S7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 14:18:13 +0100 Received: from sb.abelian.org (i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.83]) by parrot.netcom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086B53273EE for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 14:09:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sb.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C2928A1126 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 13:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <56069AD1.4040303@abelian.org> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 13:17:05 +0000 From: Paul Nicholson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5601EC9F.2010607@gmail.com> <56059B48.80606@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <56059B48.80606@freenet.de> X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: Re: LF: Coherent BPSK on LF using EbNaut Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4157 Very nice to see this working at LF with short symbols. The phase was stable enough for the 20 or so minutes of each transmission on this path of circa 1000km. S/N of IZ7SLZ at DF6NM suggests that a contact would not have been possible (at this symbol rate and signal strength) without using coherent detection - it would be a few dB too weak. The phase looks pretty steady. The ionosphere and the local oscillators are both looking very good here. I wonder how long the phase can keep stable for - or in other words, the max message duration? A fine achievement, well done to both. It's great to see a two-way contact using this mode and this demonstration that it works at LF opens up some interesting possibilities. Andy Talbot wrote: > Unfortunately, I see it is not standalone, and requires > Spectrum lab to act as the audio "front end" ... Spectrum Lab in fact does most of the work: Digitising the audio, frequency shifting and the delicate business of resampling with reference to GPS pulses so that each audio sample is UT synchronous and at a constant sample rate. Then there is filtering and if necessary, noise (sferic) blanking. SL even handles the decoding of GPS messages so that it can accurately time the reception. After all that, ebnaut is just a small 'back-end' decoder. This mode is not easy to use. It requires some technical skill to arrange atomic quality reference oscillators at each end and to get the software set up correctly. For those that can rise to the challenge, the potential gain is several dB over any other mode on paths where the phase is fairly stable for the duration of a transmission. Coherent BPSK has been used for amateur satellites and packet networks, for a long time. These applications extract a reference phase from the received signal (using a Costas loop or equivalent). EbNaut works even when the signal is too weak to extract a reference phase. More info at http://abelian.org/ebnaut/ -- Paul Nicholson --