Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 104; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t8FEHORB032149 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:17:25 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZbqzT-0001MF-OH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:13:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZbqzT-0001M6-Fh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:13:47 +0100 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbqyS-0005Ue-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:13:46 +0100 Received: from dovecot03.posteo.de (dovecot03.posteo.de [172.16.0.13]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59FED20920 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:12:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.posteo.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dovecot03.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3nFmj80tJmz5vMr for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:12:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <55F8274B.9000308@posteo.de> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:12:27 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Scan-Signature: bb61bee384896e075004ae5ec954ddd2 Subject: LF: Active E field antenna versus T antenna for LF/MF reception Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4094 Hi all, Since a while i'm now comparing RX results between two omnidirrectional E field antennas. One of them is active (similar to the PA0RDT antenna), the other one is a T antenna, resonanted to the frequency of interest and matched to 50 Ohm... (So the T antenna could be used for transmitting). The small active antenna is inside a plastic tube, so (charged!) raindrops do not fall on the probe directly. The charge can flow to ground through the weak conducting water layer (probably in the range of 1E8 Ohm?).During rain i saw that the "QRN" was significantly higher on the T antenna. So, could it be a better idea to use an active antenna (with a limited large signal capability and a non-perfect linearity!) instead of a "real" or "traditional" band-selective T antenna? Maybe worth to compare the results on a stereo RX ;-) I my imagination i see the active antenna with an umbrella to protect from rain (charged drops, |q| > 0). As higher the distance between probe and umbrella, the better the noise reduction and the lower the signal loss? Time to build and test the performance of an active E field probe consuming 5V/1mA... Just some thoughts... 73, Stefan