Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1102; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t8IHrVII009473 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 19:53:31 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZcznV-0005pC-Km for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 18:50:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZcznV-0005p3-Aw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 18:50:09 +0100 Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com ([209.85.212.170]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZczmV-00081K-VR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 18:50:08 +0100 Received: by wiclk2 with SMTP id lk2so40268363wic.1 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 10:48:55 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=azl1au9U0uYmYyXOi2GYeeLtZW44R7aCr+7lCK0CxqU=; b=izkSqDQgOD5IauA5aPodPQUsBeGj7Y3cseLlXMrAjVZ1mIouwUi+T6LamB3j6W7bXV 8vQQmUuXygEZvR9OYcgStTz2MdcGJmWWytWIIepDumtqoRnhuGj1+WZz6eAZYfGjoF6W /r2wl2AaHiObQDSkgzQ/gTNwxCJS+5cgBw0M+CNiemIUtXwdjqBXhJy9wChER0S+725X 26knArFjSKbJe8rsjvoJU40tyA4gaMV5CINaeDqM6vBv6dFVTO1Izn2VAdhOnLfvqrSI JUALk/FsvrBJVwk6+VWQiHNrfxEaWO1soIQZSsvVqVM2q89OwH1bsgMQeUndryRsmmev Q5Rw== X-Received: by 10.194.116.106 with SMTP id jv10mr9699742wjb.0.1442598535400; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 10:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([82.98.23.94]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id uo6sm9992115wjc.1.2015.09.18.10.48.53 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Sep 2015 10:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: John Rabson X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 19:48:51 +0200 Cc: DK7FC , uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de Message-Id: <47A66D8A-F094-4A0D-AEDD-78C8931B34CB@gmail.com> References: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-Scan-Signature: 9ca91679b330d65f05d707c2d2b164fe Subject: Re: LF: Active E field antenna versus T antenna for LF/MF reception Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id t8IHrVII009473 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4097 DJ8WX’s page referred to below is reported by my system to be an “attack page”. John F5VLF > On 18 Sep 2015, at 19:00, uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de wrote: > > hi Stefan, > pse see > > http://dj8wx-dl.de/two.htm > > > Uwe/dj8wx > > > Von: DK7FC > Gesendet: 15.09.2015 16:17 > An: > Betreff: LF: Active E field antenna versus T antenna for LF/MF reception > > Hi all, > > Since a while i'm now comparing RX results between two omnidirrectional > E field antennas. One of them is active (similar to the PA0RDT antenna), > the other one is a T antenna, resonanted to the frequency of interest > and matched to 50 Ohm... (So the T antenna could be used for > transmitting). The small active antenna is inside a plastic tube, so > (charged!) raindrops do not fall on the probe directly. The charge can > flow to ground through the weak conducting water layer (probably in the > range of 1E8 Ohm?).During rain i saw that the "QRN" was significantly > higher on the T antenna. > > So, could it be a better idea to use an active antenna (with a limited > large signal capability and a non-perfect linearity!) instead of a > "real" or "traditional" band-selective T antenna? Maybe worth to compare > the results on a stereo RX ;-) I my imagination i see the active antenna > with an umbrella to protect from rain (charged drops, |q| > 0). As > higher the distance between probe and umbrella, the better the noise > reduction and the lower the signal loss? > Time to build and test the performance of an active E field probe > consuming 5V/1mA... > Just some thoughts... > > 73, Stefan > john.rabson07@gmail.com Researching history of RABSON, BLACKSHAW, GAUNTLETT, VERLANDER and ROBSONNE