Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1170; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t7ELhewk013138 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 23:43:40 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZQMhC-0004fq-5U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:39:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZQMhB-0004fh-SD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:39:25 +0100 Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com ([209.85.212.176]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZQMg7-0002Hx-MF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:39:24 +0100 Received: by wibhh20 with SMTP id hh20so33622710wib.0 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:38:03 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WbFeCOa5kmSBSkelcYA4rl2Aa8FhgOn9nrggq1DlIiA=; b=xkt597tW45ReH/l6o53DpbU3CXVpvBt1vPO6OR0e4T9QlBCBO4ByGSDCWBjVtLd+tG Gl+OXKMAGt1UnF4c24GlhDgB8YW6x7OCzNw+sqZ/xrB85sZ0uE0uhG3YGIpIN94BNq1+ SxOSoODcLisrCxR66J307Zd5Xdi28eCgNCjAk8YdTOpGV76PKuxoTTNJtTAg1qzIScYm 5sNq0oM+Zg8bhEIGXtmYxVL3Sq7ptC7qz0BEJDr7LFpvOP/nmHPf3pYS4dQSgOf6yZS1 8xqsw9HkcYRodeZ85xtu227EjNy+n99gjTzOHfKNfjPU4RE6Zp6A3CjDvEjRINs9yw95 rp6A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.107.70 with SMTP id ha6mr10156618wib.20.1439588283812; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.98.6 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:38:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1156BF06E81A40ED928F77349725D23D@gnat> References: <1156BF06E81A40ED928F77349725D23D@gnat> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:38:03 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Folded monopole - Food for thought Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f234d094794e0051d4c44ca X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3873 --e89a8f234d094794e0051d4c44ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 6dB more, not 3dB Height squared 'jnt On 14 August 2015 at 22:31, Alan Melia wrote: > The problem with a monopole at LF is that the effective height is only > half (approx) the physical height. For an inverted L where the top length > is at least twice the height, the effective height is close to the physical > height .....so 3dB more ERP. It may not matter so much on 160m (I used a > 16foot centre loaded "tank-whip" at one time :-)) ) but where --e89a8f234d094794e0051d4c44ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On 14 August 2015 at 22:31, Alan Melia <alan= .melia@btinternet.com> wrote:
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