Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t7BFhgSH030528 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 17:43:42 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZPBed-00077h-As for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 16:39:55 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZPBed-00077Y-0n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 16:39:55 +0100 Received: from omr-m007e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.9] helo=omr-m007.mx.aol.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZPBdZ-0005cO-01 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 16:39:53 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-mab01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mab01.mx.aol.com [172.26.249.83]) by omr-m007.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 49F58380004F; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-afa02g.mail.aol.com (core-afa02.mail.aol.com [172.27.24.2]) by mtaomg-mab01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id F19F938000083; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:38:25 -0400 (EDT) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-Mailer: AOL Webmail BASIC Received: from 192.35.17.13 by webmail-vm073.sysops.aol.com (64.12.253.52) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:38:25 -0400 Message-Id: <8D2A262E5AABBD8-1F8C-27C7C0@webmail-vm073.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [192.35.17.13] Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:38:25 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1439307506; bh=M3UJe4YPyuGKHBjBlImGAavLDLpasJdPLi11R8Xz1/Q=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tBaNWIWJ7ErvoU8MxzeE4Xkdi5ohOwzbUspsqghKP4GbmpdfLkKMPf0kiccrefo9s jriJpAdEJLIdSDD2zI4gmjyEEb03rMDD/ElI8lEzwLvkZUGEvAnqVl2AgLs6MJbFZn LWVQZGdRJzCIv2zWhKsMhJNwrSJawbeagh6aIHH0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1af95355ca16f1698b X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 204.29.186.9 (omr-m007e.mx.aol.com) used invalid HELO/EHLO omr-m007.mx.aol.com - verification failed X-Scan-Signature: 75bd9e83b9a4dd6aff3296cebc5bb885 Subject: LF: Inductive short range devices - the end of LF radio? 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