Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t5I1vCv0001445 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 03:57:12 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Z5P1V-0001aS-H5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 02:53:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Z5P1V-0001aJ-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 02:53:45 +0100 Received: from mail-oi0-f48.google.com ([209.85.218.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5P1T-0005kR-A7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 02:53:43 +0100 Received: by oiyy130 with SMTP id y130so30419916oiy.0 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=i3FAHJ7HlF1oz92Cj7NHmRpGSH+7xr0AmArXxJuOSQk=; b=SHoa0ZS/8CDK8F2D0x9TJwtanbDZzjavlI49zLLEvvA0jBIfnVEO4PiQD8JXe1opSn 1j5r8g8Z9ZZOU+FGo5duR77vI98/R9MIm2u4tPQk/cXJSIFlesBNK2s0+bKSEON8CXMZ AIpqqFW+4nUHrYT1YNyE/i+oafhePV624AasWF11HgOJ9YrWPGRYbhURyR1lZ+gnfbph VX9ks1YjZU1bHIybHWEghuIUjzI/N6prIJdeV6WiM+NDRD0EYuevJk5/IJHCxmaL6Cye yQLR+P//hp8rN+mZijAgpm23dROilABKowX97S4nfmrf/m7ZndmmfX6NrWwKhWTSc5Ar GFtQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.220.135 with SMTP id t129mr6654628oig.115.1434592420650; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 18:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.85.86 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 18:53:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55820ED6.7020508@posteo.de> References: <5581F953.3060200@posteo.de> <5581FC6E.7030709@virginbroadband.com.au> <55820ED6.7020508@posteo.de> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:53:40 +1000 Message-ID: From: Dimitrios Tsifakis To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: Re: LF: MF propagation over sea water Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3498 Hi Stefan, Maybe the ground-wave propagation curves in this ITU document shed some light? In this document there are curves for sea water (various salinity levels), fresh water and land (various conductivity). https://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r/rec/p/R-REC-P.368-9-200702-I!!PDF-E.pdf 73, Dimitris VK1SV/VK2COW 2015-06-18 10:20 GMT+10:00 DK7FC : > Hi Edgar, > > Am 18.06.2015 01:02, schrieb edgar: > > Hi Stefan, > > Was there some assistance from the terminator? > > I don't think so, it is not on the path. > > > Are the results the same in full daylight path? > > In full daylight i'm getting weak decodes by PA staions (Netherlands) from > time to time, close to the detection limit. No chance above 400 km. > As soon as the terminator comes to Spain (EA), you can see new detections > there. It is interesting to watch in the evening.. > > 73, Stefan > > > Regards, Edgar > Moonah, Tasmania.