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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8D28074F9300CE3_230C_22D79C_webmail-vm008.sysops.aol.com" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3569 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8D28074F9300CE3_230C_22D79C_webmail-vm008.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" =20Revisiting=20the=20topic...=20My=20ERP=20calculation=20was=20erroneous=20by=20= a=20factor=20of=20ten=20(looks=20like=20I=20can=20no=20longer=20do=20without=20a= =20calculator).=20It=20should=20be=0D=0A=C2=A0radiated=20power=20=3D=200.0256=20= *=20160=20=3D=204=20microwatts=20or=20-24=20dBm=0D=0A...=20which=20could=20let=20= me=20produce=20a=20comfortable=2021=20dB=20SNR=20in=20Stefan's=20LF=20QRSS-60=20= window=20-=20and=20even=20mobile=20QRSS-10=20comes=20within=20reach.=20=0D=0A=0D= =0AScaling=20from=20137=20to=20475=20kHz,=20we'd=20be=20able=20to=20achieve=200.= 6=20mW=20EMRP,=20which=20would=20probably=20be=20good=20for=20aural=20CW=20up=20= to=2050=20km=20over=20land.=0D=0A=C2=A0=0D=0AWhen=20driving=20around=20with=20a=20= mobile=20antenna=20it=20will=20probably=20anyway=20need=20to=20be=20guyed.=20So=20= we=20might=20use=20the=20strings=20partly=20as=20a=20topload,=20forming=20a=20mi= niature=20umbrella=20antenna=20with=20higher=20current=20and=20effective=20heigh= t.=20=0D=0A=C2=A0=0D=0AI'm=20only=20a=20bit=20worried=20about=20unexpected=20beh= avior=20of=20modern=20vehicle=20electronics.=20In=20particular,=20unappropriate=20= firing=20of=20the=20airbags=20could=20potentially=20become=20a=20nasty=20surpris= e.=20I=20guess=20this=20may=20be=20less=20of=20a=20concern=20in=20an=20old=20Gol= f=20Diesel=20;-)=0D=0A=C2=A0=0D=0AAll=20the=20best,=0D=0AMarkus=20(DF6NM)=0D=0A=0D= =0A=C2=A0=0D=0A-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche=20Mitteilung-----=20=0D=0AVon:=20Markus=20= Vester=20<markusvester@aol.com>=0D=0AAn:=20rsgb_lf_group=20<rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org>=0D=0AVerschickt:=20Do,=2028=20Mai=202015=201:23=20am=0D=0A= Betreff:=20Re:=20LF:=20MF=20mobile=20?=0D=0A=0D=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20>=20I=20= bet=20you=20=20have=20all=20the=20formulas=20in=20your=20mind=20:-)=0D=0A=0D=0AY= es=20Stefan,=20sure=20do...=20this=20=20is=20the=20kind=20of=20stuff=20I=20somet= imes=20like=20to=20think=20about=20during=20my=C2=A0bike=20ride=20to=20=20work=20= -=20about=2070=20minutes,=20twice=20a=20day=20;-)=20Ok,=20=20no=20pocket=20calcu= lator=20allowed=20then...=0D=0A=20=C2=A0=0D=0A=20A=201.5=20m=20stick=20would=20h= ave=C2=A0about=C2=A010=20pF=20or=20=20-j=20120=20kohm=20at=20137=20kHz.=C2=A0If=20= you're=20keen=20you=20could=20probably=20go=20up=20to=2020=20=20kV,=C2=A0giving=20= 0.16=20A.=20Effective=20height=20will=20be=C2=A0around=200.7m,=20so=20radiation=20= =20resistance=20is=201579ohms*(.7/2200)^2=20=3D=20160=20microohms.=20Thus=20radi= ated=20power=20=3D=20=200.0256=C2=A0*=20160=20=3D=200.4=C2=A0microwatt=20or=20-3= 4=20dBm.=0D=0A=20=C2=A0=0D=0A=20Assuming=20a=20coil=20Q=20of=20400,=20required=20= TX=20power=20would=20=20be=20only=200.16^2=20*=20120k=20/=20400=C2=A0=3D=208=20w= atts.=20If=20=20you're=20not=20afraid=20of=20non-ionizing=20E-fields=20you=C2=A0= could=20probably=20do=20that=20from=20=20a=20bicycle=20(sic),=20or=20walking=20a= round=C2=A0with=20=20a=C2=A0backpack=C2=A0;-)=0D=0A=20=C2=A0=0D=0A=20At=20a=20ra= nge=20of=20180=20km=20between=20us,=20we'd=20get=C2=A0a=20=20groundwave=20fields= trength=20of=C2=A050-34-45-4=20dBuV/m=20=3D=20-33=20dBuV/m.=C2=A0Assuming=20a=20= =20quiet=20day=20with=C2=A0of=20-26=20dBuV/m/Hz=20background=20noise,=20and=20wa= tching=C2=A0in=20a=20=20"QRSS-60"=20spectrogram=20with=C2=A016=20mHz=20(-18=20dB= Hz)=C2=A0noise=20bandwidth.,=20the=20=20noise=20floor=20would=20be=20-44=20dBuV/= m,=20and=20we'd=20achieve=2011=20dB=20SNR.=20Phew,=20we've=20made=20it....=0D=0A= =20=C2=A0=0D=0A=20Scaling=20from=20LF=20to=20MF=20while=20maintaining=C2=A0same=20= =20antenna=20voltage,=C2=A0current=20will=20be=203.4=20times=20higher,=C2=A0ERP=20= 144=20times=20(ie.=20=2060=20uW),=20and=20fieldstrength=2012=20times.=C2=A0=0D=0A= =20=C2=A0=0D=0A=20BTW=C2=A0Forget=20about=20that=C2=A0parallel=20capacitor=20=20= to=20reduce=20tuning=20variation=20-=20that=20would=20be=20just=20cheating=20you= rself,=20similar=20to=20=20adding=20an=20attenuator=20after=20the=20TX=20to=20im= prove=20matching.=C2=A0Only=20=20the=C2=A0current=20going=20into=20the=20actual=20= antenna=C2=A0is=20the=20one=20that's=20=20radiating.=0D=0A=20=C2=A0=0D=0A=20All=20= the=20best,=0D=0A=20Markus=0D=0A=20=C2=A0=0D=0A=20=0D=0A=0D=0A=20=20=20From:=20D= K7FC=20=0D=0A=20Sent:=20Thursday,=20May=2028,=202015=2012:10=20AM=0D=0A=20To:=20= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20=20=0D=0A=20Subject:=20LF:=20MF=20mobile=20?=0D=0A= =0D=0A=0D=0A=20=0D=0A=0D=0AHmm,=20i=20find=20someone=20=20should=20do=20a=20real= =20mobile=20(mobile-mobile,=20with=20a=20velocity=20>=200)=20experiment.=20A=20= =201.5=20m=20long=20CB=20antenna=20with=20a=20special=20preparated=20feed=20poin= t=20should=20work.=20And=20i=20=20think=20that=20the=20wire=20works=20better=20w= ith=20a=20fixed=20C=20in=20parallel,=20even=20if=20this=20=20reduces=20the=20eff= iciency.=20But=20it=20stabilises=20the=20SWR=20or=20better=20said,=20the=20volta= ge=20on=20=20the=20wire.=20Corona?=20Where=20is=20the=20problem=20with=20corona?= =20:-)=0D=0AMarkus,=20could=20you=20=20calculate=20the=20ERP=20when=2010=20kV=20= rms=20is=20applied=20to=20a=201.5m=20high=20antenna=20on=20a=20car=20=20roof?=20= I=20bet=20you=20have=20all=20the=20formulas=20in=20your=20mind=20:-)=0D=0A=0D=0A= Maybe=20the=20antenna=20=20has=2010=20pF.=20I=20remember=20i=20have=20a=20470pF/= 16kV=20capacitor=20at=20home.=20So=20if=20C=20=3D=20470=20pF=20=20and=20f=20=3D=20= 475=20kHz,=20L=20=3D=20239=20uH=20With=20470=20pF=20parallel=20to=20the=20antenn= a,=20a=20moving=20wire=20=20(=3D=20changing=20C)=20does=20not=20make=20a=20signi= ficant=20effect=20i=20think.=0D=0A10=20kV=20at=20239=20uH=20at=20=2010=20kV=20is= =2014A.=20If=20P=20=3D=20200=20W,=20the=20losses=20must=20be=201=20Ohm=20!=20=0D= =0AWith=20a=20good=20RF=20litz=20=20wire,=20this=20is=20possible=20:-)=0D=0A=0D=0A= What=20would=20be=20the=20ERP=20and=20possible=20=20distance?=0D=0A=0D=0AIt=20wo= uld=20be=20interesting=20to=20try=20that=20in=20WSPR=20/=20QRSS-60=20:-)=20I=20=20= would=20also=20drive=20to=20someone=20for=20making=20a=20CW=20QSO=20but=20most=20= likely=20there=20is=20a=20LOT=20=20of=20QRM=20when=20driving...=0D=0A=0D=0AMore=20= ideas?=0D=0A=0D=0A73,=20Stefan=0D=0A...=20=20=20.=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D= =0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= 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=20Revi= siting=20the=20topic...=20My=20ERP=20calculation=20was=20erroneous=20by=20a=20fa= ctor=20of=20ten=20(looks=20like=20I=20can=20no=20longer=20do=20without=20a=20cal= culator).=20It=20should=20be
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When=20driving=20around=20with=20a= =20mobile=20antenna=20it=20will=20probably=20anyway=20need=20to=20be=20guyed.=20= So=20we=20might=20use=20the=20strings=20partly=20as=20a=20topload,=20forming=20a= =20miniature=20umbrella=20antenna=20with=20higher=20current=20and=20effective=20= height.=20
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I'm=20only=20a=20b= it=20worried=20about=20unexpected=20behavior=20of=20modern=20vehicle=20electroni= cs.=20In=20particular,=20unappropriate=20firing=20of=20the=20airbags=20could=20p= otentially=20become=20a=20nasty=20surprise.=20I=20guess=20this=20may=20be=20less= =20of=20a=20concern=20in=20an=20old=20Golf=20Diesel=20;-)
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=0D=0AVon:=20Markus=20Vester=20<markusvester@aol.com>
=0D=0AAn= :=20rsgb_lf_group=20<rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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=0D=0ABetreff:=20Re:=20LF:=20MF=20mobile=20= ?
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&g= t;=20I=20bet=20you=20=20have=20all=20the=20formulas=20in=20your=20mind=20:-)
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=0D=0AYes=20Stefan,=20sure=20do...=20this=20=20is=20the=20kind=20= of=20stuff=20I=20sometimes=20like=20to=20think=20about=20during=20my bike=20= ride=20to=20=20work=20-=20about=2070=20minutes,=20twice=20a=20day=20;-)=20Ok,=20=20no=20pocket=20calculator=20allowed=20then...
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= A=201.5=20m=20stick=20would=20have abou= t 10=20pF=20or=20=20-j=20120=20kohm=20at=20137=20kHz. If=20you're=20ke= en=20you=20could=20probably=20go=20up=20to=2020=20=20kV, giving=200.16=20A.= =20Effective=20height=20will=20be around=200.7m,=20so=20radiation=20=20resi= stance=20is=201579ohms*(.7/2200)^2=20=3D=20160=20microohms.=20Thus=20radiated=20= power=20=3D=20=200.0256 *=20160=20=3D=200.4 microwatt=20or=20-34=20dBm= .
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Assuming=20a=20= coil=20Q=20of=20400,=20required=20TX=20power=20would=20=20be=20only=200.16^2=20*= =20120k=20/=20400 =3D=208=20watts.=20If=20=20you're=20not=20afraid=20of=20non-ionizing=20E-fields=20you coul= d=20probably=20do=20that=20from=20=20a=20bicycle=20(sic),=20or=20walking=20aroun= d with=20=20a backpack ;-)
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At=20a=20range=20of=20180=20km=20between=20us,=20we'd=20get=  a=20=20groundwave=20fieldstrength=20of 50-34-45-4=20dBuV/m=20=3D=20-3= 3=20dBuV/m. Assuming=20a=20=20quiet=20day=20with of=20-26=20dBuV/m/Hz=20= background=20noise,=20and=20watching in=20a=20=20"QRSS-60"=20spectrogram=20= with 16=20mHz=20(-18=20dBHz) noise=20bandwidth.,=20the=20=20noise=20fl= oor=20would=20be=20-44=20dBuV/m,=20and=20we'd=20achieve=2011=20dB=20SNR.=20Phew,=20we've=20made=20it....
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BTW Forget=20about=20that parallel=20capacitor=20=20to=20re= duce=20tuning=20variation=20-=20that=20would=20be=20just=20cheating=20yourself,=20= similar=20to=20=20adding=20an=20attenuator=20after=20the=20TX=20to=20improve=20m= atching. Only=20=20the current=20going=20into=20the=20actual=20antenna=  is=20the=20one=20that's=20=20radiating.
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=0D=0AHmm,=20i=20find=20= someone=20=20should=20do=20a=20real=20mobile=20(mobile-mobile,=20with=20a=20velo= city=20>=200)=20experiment.=20A=20=201.5=20m=20long=20CB=20antenna=20with=20a= =20special=20preparated=20feed=20point=20should=20work.=20And=20i=20=20think=20t= hat=20the=20wire=20works=20better=20with=20a=20fixed=20C=20in=20parallel,=20even= =20if=20this=20=20reduces=20the=20efficiency.=20But=20it=20stabilises=20the=20SW= R=20or=20better=20said,=20the=20voltage=20on=20=20the=20wire.=20Corona?=20Where=20= is=20the=20problem=20with=20corona?=20:-)
=0D=0AMarkus,=20could=20you=20=20ca= lculate=20the=20ERP=20when=2010=20kV=20rms=20is=20applied=20to=20a=201.5m=20high= =20antenna=20on=20a=20car=20=20roof?=20I=20bet=20you=20have=20all=20the=20formul= as=20in=20your=20mind=20:-)
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