Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1170; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t5IDwLR0002698 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 15:58:21 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Z5aHC-0002Fj-BW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:54:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Z5aHC-0002Fa-2Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:54:42 +0100 Received: from mx02.posteo.de ([89.146.194.165]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5aHA-0008Jq-F5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:54:40 +0100 Received: from dovecot04.posteo.de (unknown [185.67.36.27]) by mx02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45D491F449C3 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 15:54:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.posteo.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dovecot04.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3mC4Wf6kTtzFpW6 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 15:54:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5582CD9D.3030605@posteo.de> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 15:54:37 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5581F953.3060200@posteo.de>, <5146574.123205.1434583108891.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>, <55820A6E.2010401@posteo.de> <55829568.30271.3F9D87@roelof.ndb.demon.nl> In-Reply-To: <55829568.30271.3F9D87@roelof.ndb.demon.nl> X-Scan-Signature: 7001055fa59a9c23b9831ea6d317a074 Subject: Re: LF: MF propagation over sea water Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3500 Hello Roelof an Dimitris, Interesting. Thanks for the link to the ITU document. 73, Stefan Am 18.06.2015 11:54, schrieb roelof@ndb.demon.nl: > Hello Stefan, > > About 10 years ago a couple of NDB chasers have been investigating > this issue by comparing reception of NDB's over a sea path and a > land path. To exclude sky wave propagation as good as possible, the > tests were done in summer at the time of the sun's solstice. > > Though by no means a scientific research, it was found > that the length of a sea path was up to four times the length of a > land path! > > I live about 8 km from the sea wall here and my furthest daytime > signal has been the now decommissioned NDB AB, Akraberg, Faroer, > 1268 km away. There is another one on the Faroer, MY, Myggenaes, on > 337 kHz, 1360 km away, which is still active. I could hear it at > daytime by ear in the past. Unfortunately power seem to have been > reduced as the carrier on 336.970 kHz is about 4 dB above my noise > floor at the moment. > > 73, > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > >