Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1102; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t4UAoGkG031022 for ; Sat, 30 May 2015 12:50:16 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1YyeIJ-000870-61 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2015 11:47:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1YyeII-00086r-Fu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2015 11:47:10 +0100 Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.77]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1YyeIF-0000lB-Uf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2015 11:47:09 +0100 Received: from mtaout-mcb01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mcb01.mx.aol.com [172.26.50.173]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B2ECE70036213 for ; Sat, 30 May 2015 06:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from White (ipb21bee4a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de [178.27.238.74]) by mtaout-mcb01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id A693C38000088 for ; Sat, 30 May 2015 06:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <71EF0C4BBD4849F88025F4020B0648CF@White> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 12:47:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20140625; t=1432982825; bh=1ikBxuJf4G0DsGNVzrVDxb3DolD1c33YHRphBzK+0EA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=M2CF/fw7Nip1jas0bLAWZ4TqyI8Ktr1xCMkhTqtC1pE+IZ7MnaIHqnKhqWQJ3Nkwo +lOk9pEZUq/KcVewypdQ6ht0TjEsK2YTATb7My3t/uSED+HoTDOdRONYV4jvUmNFtX cWxn/Dk8nwUT/C4jZoAW8Sxg08Dyuhc0j05+t97A= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a32ad556995267a2e X-AOL-IP: 178.27.238.74 X-Scan-Signature: 801c9c8b08ec7b98953b9e2e324c7241 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR-15 stations monitoring Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01D09AD6.BA368B40" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3360 Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01D09AD6.BA368B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andy, >> 2) There is a gap in plentiful station locations from those around = 2000km (Eastern and Northern Europe) to the next group of US ones at = 5000km + That gap is also known as the Atlantic ocean ;-) Seriously, it would = help if more stations from eg Russia or southeast Europe were = monitoring. >> 3) WSPR-15 does not have 9dB advantage on longer paths due to = propagation artefacts. Perhaps fading and breaking it up. Don't know, we'd really need a side by side comparison to draw = quantitative conclusions. Your announced dual-speed beacon will probably = some good statistics, or alternative we might resort to path = simulations. My guess is that fading may generally be much less severe = for very long distances than for medium ranges. =20 All the best, Markus (DF6NM) From: Andy Talbot=20 Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 5:49 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: WSPR-15 stations monitoring Here is a list of all the WPR-15 stations who have heard my beacon = signal within the last few days. The maximum distance of 1900km is = about the same as the WSPR-2 transmissions made earlier this year at the = same EIRP. I'm guessing there are a several reasons here: 1) These summer months give reduced S/N / propagation and offset the = theoretical 9dB gain 2) There is a gap in plentiful station locations from those around = 2000km (Eastern and Northern Europe) to the next group of US ones at = 5000km + 3) WSPR-15 does not have 9dB advantage on longer paths due to = propagation artefacts. Perhaps fading and breaking it up. Anyway : 2015-05-28 23:16 G4JNT 0.475809 -14 0 IO90iv 2 = SM2DJK KP03au 1908 33 =20 2015-05-26 20:46 G4JNT 0.475811 -28 0 IO90iv 2 = IZ7SLZ JN80nu 1802 121 =20 2015-05-27 02:00 G4JNT 0.475810 -19 0 IO90iv 2 = SP5XSB KO02ld 1540 76 =20 2015-05-28 02:16 G4JNT 0.475811 -35 0 IO90iv 2 = EA5DOM-4 IM98xn 1375 175 =20 2015-05-26 22:30 G4JNT 0.475809 -33 0 IO90iv 2 = LA4ANA JO59cu 1229 31 =20 2015-05-28 02:16 G4JNT 0.475809 -28 0 IO90iv 2 = EA4NZ IN80dm 1169 190 =20 2015-05-29 01:30 G4JNT 0.475809 -22 0 IO90iv 2 = LA3EQ JO28xj 954 26 =20 2015-05-28 02:16 G4JNT 0.475810 -22 0 IO90iv 2 = DF6NM JN59nj 899 96 =20 2015-05-27 02:00 G4JNT 0.475809 -26 0 IO90iv 2 = DJ6LB JN59mm 890 95 =20 2015-05-28 02:16 G4JNT 0.475811 -8 0 IO90iv 2 DG3LV = JO53gv 868 63 =20 2015-05-29 01:30 G4JNT 0.475809 -17 0 IO90iv 2 = DB4IW JN49ss 778 95 =20 2015-05-27 02:00 G4JNT 0.475805 -32 0 IO90iv 2 = DK7FC/P JN49ik 730 99 =20 2015-05-27 21:00 G4JNT 0.475810 -31 0 IO90iv 2 = DI2AX JO44ad 727 57 =20 2015-05-28 02:16 G4JNT 0.475812 -10 0 IO90iv 2 = DF8UO JN48ex 723 103 =20 2015-05-27 02:00 G4JNT 0.475810 -12 0 IO90iv 2 = DL4YHF JO42fd 688 75 =20 2015-05-27 21:00 G4JNT 0.475810 -31 0 IO90iv 2 = DD7PC JN49ax 668 95 =20 2015-05-29 01:30 G4JNT 0.475812 -18 0 IO90iv 2 = DF1VB/15 JO31sk 618 81 =20 2015-05-28 02:16 G4JNT 0.475810 -14 0 IO90iv 2 = DF2JP JO31hh 554 82 =20 2015-05-24 23:46 G4JNT 0.475676 0 0 IO90iv 2 = PA3ABK/2 JO21it 429 74 =20 2015-05-27 02:00 G4JNT 0.475675 +5 -1 IO90iv 2 = PA3ABK/15 JO21it 429 74 =20 2015-05-27 21:00 G4JNT 0.475806 -7 0 IO90iv 2 G4JVF = IO93if 259 0 =20 2015-05-26 20:46 G4JNT 0.475808 -13 0 IO90iv 2 = 2E0ILY IO82 213 326 =20 2015-05-25 05:30 G4JNT 0.475810 -19 0 IO90iv 2 = G3WCB IO80di 181 251 =20 2015-05-26 21:30 G4JNT 0.475809 -9 0 IO90iv 2 G6AVK = JO01ho 155 59 =20 2015-05-29 07:30 G4JNT 0.475810 -29 0 IO90iv 2 = G8HUH IO81mg 124 290 =20 Andy G4JNT ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01D09AD6.BA368B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Andy,
 
>> 2) There is a gap in plentiful station = locations=20 from those around 2000km (Eastern and Northern Europe) to the next = group of=20 US ones at 5000km +
That gap is also known as the Atlantic ocean = ;-)=20 Seriously, it would help if more stations from eg Russia or southeast = Europe=20 were monitoring.
 
>> 3)  WSPR-15 does not have 9dB = advantage on=20 longer paths due to propagation artefacts.  Perhaps fading and = breaking it=20 up.
Don't know, we'd really need a side by side = comparison to draw=20 quantitative conclusions. Your announced dual-speed beacon will=20 probably some good statistics, or alternative we might resort to = path=20 simulations. My guess is that fading may generally be much less = severe=20 for very long distances than for medium ranges. 
 
All the best,
Markus (DF6NM)

From:=20 Andy Talbot
Sent: Saturday, May 30, = 2015 5:49=20 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk ;=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: LF: WSPR-15 = stations=20 monitoring

Here is a list of all the = WPR-15 stations=20 who have heard my beacon signal within the last few days.   = The=20 maximum distance of 1900km is about the same as the WSPR-2 transmissions = made=20 earlier this year at the same EIRP.  I'm guessing there are = a several=20 reasons here:
1)  These summer months = give reduced=20 S/N / propagation and offset the theoretical 9dB gain
2) There is a gap in = plentiful station=20 locations from those around 2000km (Eastern and Northern Europe) to = the=20 next group of US ones at 5000km +
3)  WSPR-15 does not = have 9dB=20 advantage on longer paths due to propagation artefacts.  Perhaps = fading and=20 breaking it up.
Anyway :

2015-05-28 = 23:16 
 G4JNT 
 0.475809 
 -14 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 SM2DJK 
 KP03au 
 1908 
 33 
 2015-05-26 = 20:46 
 G4JNT 
 0.475811 
 -28 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 IZ7SLZ 
 JN80nu 
 1802 
 121 
 2015-05-27 = 02:00 
 G4JNT 
 0.475810 
 -19 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 SP5XSB 
 KO02ld 
 1540 
 76 
 2015-05-28 = 02:16 
 G4JNT 
 0.475811 
 -35 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 EA5DOM-4 
 IM98xn 
 1375 
 175 
 2015-05-26 = 22:30 
 G4JNT 
 0.475809 
 -33 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 LA4ANA 
 JO59cu 
 1229 
 31 
 2015-05-28 = 02:16 
 G4JNT 
 0.475809 
 -28 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 EA4NZ 
 IN80dm 
 1169 
 190 
 2015-05-29 = 01:30 
 G4JNT 
 0.475809 
 -22 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 LA3EQ 
 JO28xj 
 954 
 26 
 2015-05-28 = 02:16 
 G4JNT 
 0.475810 
 -22 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 DF6NM 
 JN59nj 
 899 
 96 
 2015-05-27 = 02:00 
 G4JNT 
 0.475809 
 -26 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 DJ6LB 
 JN59mm 
 890 
 95 
 2015-05-28 = 02:16 
 G4JNT 
 0.475811 
 -8 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 DG3LV 
 JO53gv 
 868 
 63 
 2015-05-29 = 01:30 
 G4JNT 
 0.475809 
 -17 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 DB4IW 
 JN49ss 
 778 
 95 
 2015-05-27 = 02:00 
 G4JNT 
 0.475805 
 -32 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 DK7FC/P 
 JN49ik 
 730 
 99 
 2015-05-27 = 21:00 
 G4JNT 
 0.475810 
 -31 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 DI2AX 
 JO44ad 
 727 
 57 
 2015-05-28 = 02:16 
 G4JNT 
 0.475812 
 -10 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 DF8UO 
 JN48ex 
 723 
 103 
 2015-05-27 = 02:00 
 G4JNT 
 0.475810 
 -12 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 DL4YHF 
 JO42fd 
 688 
 75 
 2015-05-27 = 21:00 
 G4JNT 
 0.475810 
 -31 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 DD7PC 
 JN49ax 
 668 
 95 
 2015-05-29 = 01:30 
 G4JNT 
 0.475812 
 -18 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 DF1VB/15 
 JO31sk 
 618 
 81 
 2015-05-28 = 02:16 
 G4JNT 
 0.475810 
 -14 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 DF2JP 
 JO31hh 
 554 
 82 
 2015-05-24 = 23:46 
 G4JNT 
 0.475676 
 0 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 PA3ABK/2 
 JO21it 
 429 
 74 
 2015-05-27 = 02:00 
 G4JNT 
 0.475675 
 +5 
 -1 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 PA3ABK/15 
 JO21it 
 429 
 74 
 2015-05-27 = 21:00 
 G4JNT 
 0.475806 
 -7 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 G4JVF 
 IO93if 
 259 
 0 
 2015-05-26 = 20:46 
 G4JNT 
 0.475808 
 -13 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 2E0ILY 
 IO82 
 213 
 326 
 2015-05-25 = 05:30 
 G4JNT 
 0.475810 
 -19 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 G3WCB 
 IO80di 
 181 
 251 
 2015-05-26 = 21:30 
 G4JNT 
 0.475809 
 -9 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 G6AVK 
 JO01ho 
 155 
 59 
 2015-05-29 = 07:30 
 G4JNT 
 0.475810 
 -29 
 0 
 IO90iv 
 2 
 G8HUH 
 IO81mg 
 124 
 290 
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Andy  = G4JNT
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