Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t43FQKdY022801 for ; Sun, 3 May 2015 17:26:21 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Yovft-0000fA-55 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2015 16:19:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Yovfs-0000f1-H1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2015 16:19:20 +0100 Received: from smtp1.execulink.net ([69.63.44.82]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1Yovfp-0007jE-N3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2015 16:19:19 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=execulink.com Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=execulink.com; s=execulink1; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=nKmjVDIFDPO33BYMAAboctagGvw41hBApvrzv9C7Ge4=; b=pGKXeGCRHFjQC7w+BHlbWQ+kRlOpz2l9slH+CJJV32DxcoEVqZH1DHyMVjWq08avnrBKeevAEk4TSURrM4bdPCPKKdG8z7aU7lapHjUQvoQO3Z3TV0BF5KDUrlq94DpblMpvD6MlPEKa4GyIm7t35lGhmqjY/5x2vx6CKZx/3zwFFp9WqqIKuWYRwyxVamtNeIV5pV2O+XQmt2/tdI5EUnN9eRoQHrn6afWXxdlJGLrXtZjmG4YIkJ9xtVty67n5gV2XH/gX0tHjPh79/Wd1s/Vnc4SKnd80lTnMxPyijPk6It4dH+q2yw/geQj9Z4Y6MrTP8u64XcacO5uXwRefWg==; Received: from h32.42.63.69.cable.ottr.cablerocket.net ([69.63.42.32] helo=[192.168.1.103]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Yovfm-00009f-IX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2015 11:19:15 -0400 Message-ID: <55463C8B.7020408@execulink.com> Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 11:19:39 -0400 From: Terry Maurice User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5543B280.4000504@execulink.com> <215E9C5322354FF8BE0F54447F72043B@gnat> <5543BE59.4060705@execulink.com> <1DA9CB2B02334932A1DA3B83DC08A50D@gnat> In-Reply-To: <1DA9CB2B02334932A1DA3B83DC08A50D@gnat> X-PMX-Versions: AntiSpam="2.7.2--2015.5.1.61215" AntiVirus="3.60.0--5.14--9087959" X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIIII, Probability=8%, SubjectGauge=, Report='DATE_TZ_NA 0, SPF_NONE 0, URI_ENDS_IN_HTML 0, BODY_SIZE_10000_PLUS 0, BODYTEXTH_SIZE_10000_LESS 0, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED 0, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC **, RDNS_SUSP **, REFERENCES 0, __MOZILLA_MSGID 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __USER_AGENT 0, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NO_NAME 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __REFERENCES 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __CT 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT 0, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART 0, __BAT_BOUNDARY 0, __ANY_URI 0, __URI_NO_WWW 0, __FRAUD_MONEY_VALUE 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __STOCK_PHRASE_7 0, __OEM_PRICE 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __FORWARDED_MSG 0, __HAS_HTML 0, __MIME_HTML 0, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML 0, __URI_NS 0, __FRAUD_MONEY 0, _69.63.42.32 **' X-Scan-Signature: 5e4f7dbaa4e67ba4f35166ebb5a870be Subject: Re: LF: Re: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050502070008050209050802" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3049 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050502070008050209050802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Alan Thanks for the link. It is a very neat and versatile device indeed. I did a look and did not find an equivalent model for the SPM 16 and 19 units, only a return loss bridge for 75 Ohm impedance. These run about $350. There are a couple of RFZ-12 units available, but the price tag is well over $1,000. I will keep my eyes open for one at a more reasonable price. Thanks Terry On 01/05/2015 16:53, Alan Melia wrote: > Hi Terry if you have the tracking generator you might like to look at > this page from my web site.... > http://g3nyk.ham-radio-op.net/RFZ-12.htm > It details using an accessory, RFZ-12 as a test bridge that you can > use with LF aerials. I dont know whether there is an "RFZ-19" as your > unit covers a wider range > Alan > G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Terry Maurice > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Friday, May 01, 2015 6:56 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF > > Hi Alan > > Yes, rugged indeed. :)) They are very well built, almost too > well, with more bolts than I have seen in a hardware store, when > it comes to taking them apart for repairs. Where four bolts would > do, W&G put eight. I too, find them useful for test equipment. I > have the SG-4 storage display unit and my SPM-19 has the built in > tracking generator, so it works as a poor man's spectrum analyzer, > especially useful in the low to mid frequency range. I have found > it very helpful to look at filters and such. But you are very > right when you say not to expect them to operate like a > conventional radio and they take some time getting used to, as > they were built for a very different reason than radio reception. > Nice to have, but not essential kit. > > Terry > VE3XTM > > On 01/05/2015 13:28, Alan Melia wrote: >> Hi Terry I have the 12 and a 3 both with PS and SPM. They do work >> if you are aware of likely problems but yes they need some >> external help usually. I feel it is important that potential >> buyers realise that they are not receivers like they are probably >> used to. They are brilliant and useful pieces of test gear and >> the W&G kit is very ruggedly made.......you need to be a bit >> rugged yourself to hump some of it around :-)) >> Alan >> G3NYK >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Terry Maurice >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> *Sent:* Friday, May 01, 2015 6:06 PM >> *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF >> and MF >> >> Hi Alan >> >> I would be interested to know which W&G selective level >> meters you have. I have the SPM-16 and the SPM-19 and use >> them with a preamp and AM broadcast band notch filter. They >> seem to work reasonably well and signals compare well to my >> Flex 5000 with a Palomar Engineering VLF upconverter. >> However, I live in Canada and we have very little in the way >> of MW stations other than NDBs operating on the bands. I do >> from time to time pick up MW stations from France, Germany >> and Iceland. >> >> Terry >> >> *VE3XTM* EN93un >> > > -- > *VE3XTM* EN93un > -- *VE3XTM* EN93un --------------050502070008050209050802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Alan

Thanks for the link.  It is a very neat and versatile device indeed.  I did a look and did not find an equivalent model for the SPM 16 and 19 units, only a return loss bridge for 75 Ohm impedance.  These run about $350.  There are a couple of RFZ-12 units available, but the price tag is well over $1,000.  I will keep my eyes open for one at a more reasonable price.

Thanks

Terry

On 01/05/2015 16:53, Alan Melia wrote:
Hi Terry if you have the tracking generator you might like to look at this page from my web site....
It details using an accessory, RFZ-12 as a test bridge that you can use with LF aerials. I dont know whether there is an "RFZ-19" as your unit covers a wider range
 
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF

Hi Alan

Yes, rugged indeed.  :))  They are very well built, almost too well, with more bolts than I have seen in a hardware store, when it comes to taking them apart for repairs.  Where four bolts would do, W&G put eight.  I too, find them useful for test equipment.  I have the SG-4 storage display unit and my SPM-19 has the built in tracking generator, so it works as a poor man's spectrum analyzer, especially useful in the low to mid frequency range.  I have found it very helpful to look at filters and such.  But you are very right when you say not to expect them to operate like a conventional radio and they take some time getting used to, as they were built for a very different reason than radio reception.  Nice to have, but not essential kit.

Terry
VE3XTM

On 01/05/2015 13:28, Alan Melia wrote:
Hi Terry I have the 12 and a 3 both with PS and SPM. They do work if you are aware of likely problems but yes they need some external help usually. I feel it is important that potential buyers realise that they are not receivers like they are probably used to. They are brilliant and useful pieces of test gear and the W&G kit is very ruggedly made.......you need to be a bit rugged yourself to hump some of it around :-))
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF

Hi Alan

I would be interested to know which W&G selective level meters you have.  I have the SPM-16 and the SPM-19 and use them with a preamp and AM broadcast band notch filter.  They seem to work reasonably well and signals compare well to my Flex 5000 with a Palomar Engineering VLF upconverter.  However, I live in Canada and we have very little in the way of MW stations other than NDBs operating on the bands.  I do from time to time pick up MW stations from France, Germany and Iceland.

Terry

VE3XTM EN93un


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