Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t41HZVZ3015532 for ; Fri, 1 May 2015 19:35:31 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1YoEnq-0004S3-RD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2015 18:32:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1YoEnq-0004Ru-DS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2015 18:32:42 +0100 Received: from rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.183]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1YoEno-0002iC-Ho for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2015 18:32:41 +0100 X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.135.162.20(GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A090201.5543B8B6.0158,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=39/50,refid=2.7.2:2015.5.1.154217:17:39.532,ip=86.135.162.20,rules=__HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, MSGID_32HEX_LC, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, __MSGID_32HEX, __HAS_FROM, __PHISH_FROM2, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __REFERENCES, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY, __CTYPE_MULTIPART, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __ANY_URI, __FRAUD_BODY_WEBMAIL, __URI_NO_WWW, __URI_NO_PATH, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, SUPERLONG_LINE, __HAS_HTML, HTML_NO_HTTP, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODYTEXTH_SIZE_10000_LESS, __MIME_HTML, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, __URI_NS, SXL_IP_DYNAMIC[20.162.135.86.fur], RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, __PHISH_FROM, __OUTLOOK_MUA, RDNS_SUSP, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, REFERENCES X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown Received: from gnat (86.135.162.20) by rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (8.6.122.06) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 5543609D00107A65 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 1 May 2015 18:32:38 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1430501560; bh=g4BDh4RI8+hVFcRH38R20zeXLHJjzUzrTIViu/yBx24=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=HN9La9cXOa96xHvks7kN/mCWCILDjL44ELuTxkTOP+7h/WEsmQOKTd6hIOM7268oKAVTi4W5Le2qWqB9DjwxY0X5rDSTZPvKqhkOwQFzpZQN205/zIGJBn0rkgsnPzi9ze7fJZ7FH5b3I6JFIGC/Me11jXGSPOMPTo6BFCdpqwM= Message-ID: <215E9C5322354FF8BE0F54447F72043B@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <5543B280.4000504@execulink.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 18:28:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: ecf102e6d15c1e466f357d5e6d956ac3 Subject: Re: LF: Re: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B8_01D0843C.ADDA8D70" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3038 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01D0843C.ADDA8D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Terry I have the 12 and a 3 both with PS and SPM. They do work if you = are aware of likely problems but yes they need some external help = usually. I feel it is important that potential buyers realise that they = are not receivers like they are probably used to. They are brilliant and = useful pieces of test gear and the W&G kit is very ruggedly = made.......you need to be a bit rugged yourself to hump some of it = around :-)) Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Terry Maurice=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 6:06 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF Hi Alan I would be interested to know which W&G selective level meters you = have. I have the SPM-16 and the SPM-19 and use them with a preamp and = AM broadcast band notch filter. They seem to work reasonably well and = signals compare well to my Flex 5000 with a Palomar Engineering VLF = upconverter. However, I live in Canada and we have very little in the = way of MW stations other than NDBs operating on the bands. I do from = time to time pick up MW stations from France, Germany and Iceland. Terry On 07/04/2015 19:40, Alan Melia wrote: Hi Iban, They do work, but you must realise they are not intended as = radio receivers, and in many aspects their performance as radios is = compromised by their design as line measuring instruments. Problems = include IMD and lack of front end filtering, some lack audio output. Yes = you can get round this or you can be lucky that you location and antenna = help mitigate the problems. =20 You might be better to consider an SDR these days but make sure it = really cover the frequencies of interest. Graham G0NBD has information = on direct sampling mods to the DVT-B dongles. In Europe there are a lot = more LF signals from very strong stations than in the US so be careful = of US opinions that rate these as receivers. I have a couple of W&G = units which while useful as test equipment are less than brilliant and = barely worth their cost as receivers. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Iban Cardona=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:30 PM Subject: LF: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF Hi,=20 I'm looking to purchase a 3586C. Somebody is using it?=20 Can give-me feedback about to use in 136 and 477 kHz? Thanks for advance 73! Iban eb3frn --=20 VE3XTM EN93un=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01D0843C.ADDA8D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi Terry I have the 12 and a 3 both = with PS and=20 SPM. They do work if you are aware of likely problems but yes they need = some=20 external help usually. I feel it is important that potential buyers = realise that=20 they are not receivers like they are probably used to. They are = brilliant and=20 useful pieces of test gear and the W&G kit is very ruggedly = made.......you=20 need to be a bit rugged yourself to hump some of it around = :-))
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
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From:=20 Terry=20 Maurice
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 6:06 = PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: HP 3586C = selective=20 level meter for LF and MF

Hi Alan

I would be interested to know which = W&G=20 selective level meters you have.  I have the SPM-16 and the = SPM-19 and=20 use them with a preamp and AM broadcast band notch filter.  They = seem to=20 work reasonably well and signals compare well to my Flex 5000 with a = Palomar=20 Engineering VLF upconverter.  However, I live in Canada and we = have very=20 little in the way of MW stations other than NDBs operating on the = bands. =20 I do from time to time pick up MW stations from France, Germany and=20 Iceland.

Terry

On 07/04/2015 19:40, Alan Melia = wrote:
Hi Iban, They do work, but you must = realise=20 they are not intended as radio receivers, and in many aspects their=20 performance as radios is compromised by their design as line = measuring=20 instruments. Problems include IMD and lack of front end filtering, = some lack=20 audio output. Yes you can get round this or you can be lucky = that you=20 location and antenna help mitigate the problems.  =
 
You might be better to consider an = SDR these=20 days but make sure it really cover the frequencies of interest.=20 Graham G0NBD has information on direct sampling mods to the = DVT-B=20 dongles. In Europe there are a lot more LF signals from very strong = stations=20 than in the US so be careful of US opinions that rate these as = receivers. I=20 have a couple of W&G units which while useful as test equipment=20 are less than brilliant and barely worth their cost as=20 receivers.
 
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Iban Cardona
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, = 2015 11:30=20 PM
Subject: LF: HP 3586C = selective level=20 meter for LF and MF

Hi,=20

I'm looking to purchase a 3586C. Somebody is using = it? 

Can give-me feedback about to use in 136 and 477 kHz?

Thanks for advance

73! Iban
eb3frn


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